Marvel Legends Final Fan-Stream For 2024 Coverage - X-Men And Spider-Man

On 2/1/2025 at 10:59 AM, MeGrimlock78 said:

You know, I love a good X-Men wave. Glad to see the mutants getting some love again. But you know what we need? After the Brood-verine, I'd love a Rogue figure using multiple powers, like Nightcrawler 's head and tail and Colossus's metal skin, like this:

And while we're at, Mimic from the Exiles doing the same thing...optic blasts and Wolverine claws!

So yeah, Max line Rogue with tons of alt limbs and power fx! And Mimic is definitely on my must haves list for sure, but I want the first non mutant leader of the XMen look before the Exiles look. But I'd bet the Exiles version would be made before the original X Men look. Well, if I were betting I'd guess we don't get him at all, but I hope we do!

You know, I love a good X-Men wave. Glad to see the mutants getting some love again. But you know what we need? After the Brood-verine, I'd love a Rogue figure using multiple powers, like Nightcrawler 's head and tail and Colossus's metal skin, like this:

And while we're at, Mimic from the Exiles doing the same thing...optic blasts and Wolverine claws!

Idk if anyone has mentioned this yet, but a reason Hasbro is giving us this version of genocide is because the character just appeared in Heir of Apocalypse (Late 2024). The last time, I think, he made an appearance was back in Uncanny X-Force.But, then again, this wave is also giving us Uncanny X-Force AoA Nightcrawler, so maybe that's the reason?

On 1/29/2025 at 10:48 PM, AndyL said:

Yes I was very aware of that. And in the comics he is very specifically referred to as Genocide and he has a human identity as well where Holocaust/Nemesis does not which brings one to wonder why they continue to call it the Nemesis wave. Was it a bait and switch or was it another Hasbro/Marvel research blunder that tends to happen when they constantly use Google for source material? Maybe in the end it might just be because Nemesis doesn't sound nearly as disturbing as either Holocaust or Genocide on product packaging.

We were already on that vein of thinking. I'll refer you to the following where I pointed out they were two different versions of the Nemesis character at an earlier time.

I'm going with both the bait and switch idea and well they had to change the name.

On 1/29/2025 at 11:33 AM, leokearon said:

That's because it isn't Nemesis/Holocaust, it's Genocide, a different character.

Yes I was very aware of that. And in the comics he is very specifically referred to as Genocide and he has a human identity as well where Holocaust/Nemesis does not which brings one to wonder why they continue to call it the Nemesis wave. Was it a bait and switch or was it another Hasbro/Marvel research blunder that tends to happen when they constantly use Google for source material? Maybe in the end it might just be because Nemesis doesn't sound nearly as disturbing as either Holocaust or Genocide on product packaging.

We were already on that vein of thinking. I'll refer you to the following where I pointed out they were two different versions of the Nemesis character at an earlier time.

On 1/28/2025 at 8:32 AM, AndyL said:

My prediction. With Hasbro's tendency to eventually go back and try to outdo both older Toybiz era figures but also Hasbro's own older figures during what Sharty lovingly calls the Dark Days of ML I would bet good money that they will eventually get around to doing the actual Holocaust/Nemesis version of this character in a Deluxe set or multi pack eventually. You rarely see Hasbro redoing older BAFs as new BAFs. As a matter of fact I personally don't remember the last time they did it that way. I may be wrong though. But usually when they redo a BAF they do it in Deluxe format. This is the case with Blob, MODOK, Ronan, Red Hulk etc. Furthermore Galactus, Sentienl and Giant Man were done as Haslabs. The only one that comes to mind is the 2nd Onslaught they did as a BAF but much like this version of Nemesis versus the last it was a complete different version of the character.

On 1/28/2025 at 1:51 PM, raziel0203 said:

While my preference would not have been this particular look for a Nemesis figure, I have to say this one looks fantastic. It looks like Hasbro went all in on the detail and I for one appreciate the effort.

On 1/29/2025 at 5:02 PM, AndyL said:

Personally I love it and it is quite unique and for me it is close enough. Big armor with a scull in a dome for a head and a giant plasma gun for a hand. Looks okay to me. Of course I'm sure we'd all like a comic and storyline accurate version but until that happens or even if it happens this will be good enough. Plus like you said it's a new figure with new sculpting and it looks super cool. And the majority of the figures in the wave are a solid 5 or higher and we actually have the option of passing on another Wolverine so I'll call it 7 figures for the price of 6. Which is what the entire BAF system was supposed to be about. Plus I do still have the older version which aside from the obvious articulation issues still holds up based on the uniqueness of it alone.

And I honestly do expect to see a redo of the original eventually. My best guess is in a multi-pack. It would be great to have him be packed with another character we haven't gotten from AoA but with Hasbro's history it's more likely they'll pack a new sculpt with an old sculpt and maybe do a redeco of Sabretooth or Sinister.

That's because it isn't Nemesis/Holocaust, it's Genocide, a different character.

On 1/29/2025 at 7:30 AM, raziel0203 said:

Sounds like you're on to something. I for one am just appreciative of new figures and new sculpts, even if it's not the exact version I may have wanted. I know there are collectors out there who will show this Nemesis some love and find a nice place for it on their shelves.

Personally I love it and it is quite unique and for me it is close enough. Big armor with a scull in a dome for a head and a giant plasma gun for a hand. Looks okay to me. Of course I'm sure we'd all like a comic and storyline accurate version but until that happens or even if it happens this will be good enough. Plus like you said it's a new figure with new sculpting and it looks super cool. And the majority of the figures in the wave are a solid 5 or higher and we actually have the option of passing on another Wolverine so I'll call it 7 figures for the price of 6. Which is what the entire BAF system was supposed to be about. Plus I do still have the older version which aside from the obvious articulation issues still holds up based on the uniqueness of it alone.

And I honestly do expect to see a redo of the original eventually. My best guess is in a multi-pack. It would be great to have him be packed with another character we haven't gotten from AoA but with Hasbro's history it's more likely they'll pack a new sculpt with an old sculpt and maybe do a redeco of Sabretooth or Sinister.

On 1/28/2025 at 6:32 AM, AndyL said:

My prediction. With Hasbro's tendency to eventually go back and try to outdo both older Toybiz era figures but also Hasbro's own older figures during what Sharty lovingly calls the Dark Days of ML I would bet good money that they will eventually get around to doing the actual Holocaust/Nemesis version of this character in a Deluxe set or multi pack eventually. You rarely see Hasbro redoing older BAFs as new BAFs. As a matter of fact I personally don't remember the last time they did it that way. I may be wrong though. But usually when they redo a BAF they do it in Deluxe format. This is the case with Blob, MODOK, Ronan, Red Hulk etc. Furthermore Galactus, Sentienl and Giant Man were done as Haslabs. The only one that comes to mind is the 2nd Onslaught they did as a BAF but much like this version of Nemesis versus the last it was a complete different version of the character.

Sounds like you're on to something. I for one am just appreciative of new figures and new sculpts, even if it's not the exact version I may have wanted. I know there are collectors out there who will show this Nemesis some love and find a nice place for it on their shelves.

On 1/28/2025 at 7:51 AM, raziel0203 said:

While my preference would not have been this particular look for a Nemesis figure, I have to say this one looks fantastic. It looks like Hasbro went all in on the detail and I for one appreciate the effort.

My prediction. With Hasbro's tendency to eventually go back and try to outdo both older Toybiz era figures but also Hasbro's own older figures during what Sharty lovingly calls the Dark Days of ML I would bet good money that they will eventually get around to doing the actual Holocaust/Nemesis version of this character in a Deluxe set or multi pack eventually. You rarely see Hasbro redoing older BAFs as new BAFs. As a matter of fact I personally don't remember the last time they did it that way. I may be wrong though. But usually when they redo a BAF they do it in Deluxe format. This is the case with Blob, MODOK, Ronan, Red Hulk etc. Furthermore Galactus, Sentienl and Giant Man were done as Haslabs. The only one that comes to mind is the 2nd Onslaught they did as a BAF but much like this version of Nemesis versus the last it was a complete different version of the character.

While my preference would not have been this particular look for a Nemesis figure, I have to say this one looks fantastic. It looks like Hasbro went all in on the detail and I for one appreciate the effort.