On 5/15/2026 at 4:30 AM, elongatedman said:
Ditto. I thought there would be more. Also, the idea of ordinary street trash, who know what the Punisher is, and going after him the way they did anyway, just didnt sit right. Frankly I think a lot more would be way too scared to even try.
On 5/14/2026 at 2:36 PM, Satam said:Billy Russo/Jigsaw didn't shack up with Madani in season 2. He moved in with his therapist, Dr. Dumont. Both seasons were pretty terrible. I thought Frank just felt a little more true to form in that second season, and I liked the stuff with Amy and Pilgrim, but I had kinda forgotten about the twisted Russo/Dumont romance thing, which I really couldn't stand.
Oh yeah that's what it was not Madani the therapist, somehow my mind had just blended the therapist and madani together, wow so memorable eh? Yeah I hated the whole deal, sorry yeah thanks for setting me straight... really goes to say how much that whole season really ment in the archives of my mind.
On 5/14/2026 at 9:24 AM, Lord_Scareglow said:Fair enough, I didn't have a problem with them turning his familys death into a deeper Conspiracy, it added depth to the whole event, I know it didn't need to be a thing, but it didn't offend me.
See I remember thinking the Second Season was way worse...probably the abundance of Madani and what felt like Jigsaw playing her house guest boyfriend for the majority of it.
also like Jigsaw just bugged me with the whole.."oh my ruined hideous face" like come on dude it's not that bad, trust me you still look pretty good, compared to how it should have been where he literally looked liked a mushed stapled mess, which was scary and creepy, dude looked like he got away pretty decent, put down the Sunny Day Real Estate records..
Billy Russo/Jigsaw didn't shack up with Madani in season 2. He moved in with his therapist, Dr. Dumont. Both seasons were pretty terrible. I thought Frank just felt a little more true to form in that second season, and I liked the stuff with Amy and Pilgrim, but I had kinda forgotten about the twisted Russo/Dumont romance thing, which I really couldn't stand.
On 5/13/2026 at 3:25 PM, Satam said:That's really more of a recap than a review up there, Shawn, but okay.I have to say, as someone with a masters degree in psychology, this handled Frank's PTSD not only better than any of his Netflix appearances, but also better than most movies and tv shows. I wish it didn't just leave Ma Gnucci and all that stuff with her unresolved, but I assume they're setting up a Disney Plus Punisher series or another special. I also wish someone would just put "Welcome Back Frank" on screen instead of hinting at it, although this handled it better than the Thomas Jane movie. Bernthal was excellent, as usual. So was Judith Light.
I didn't like it. The first season of the Netflix Punisher series turned what happened to Frank's family into some unnecessary and ridiculously overcomplicated CIA conspiracy. As a long time Punisher reader, I found it insulting. As a long time television viewer, I found it insulting. Like you, I also thought Agent Madani was too front and center and felt like the protagonist much of the time. The second season was a little better.
Fair enough, I didn't have a problem with them turning his familys death into a deeper Conspiracy, it added depth to the whole event, I know it didn't need to be a thing, but it didn't offend me.
See I remember thinking the Second Season was way worse...probably the abundance of Madani and what felt like Jigsaw playing her house guest boyfriend for the majority of it.
also like Jigsaw just bugged me with the whole.."oh my ruined hideous face" like come on dude it's not that bad, trust me you still look pretty good, compared to how it should have been where he literally looked liked a mushed stapled mess, which was scary and creepy, dude looked like he got away pretty decent, put down the Sunny Day Real Estate records..
I didn't care for this special. First off did not connect the dots with Daredevil Born Again.
Last I remember he escaped the AVTF gulag. Then he just left the other prisoners there?! Why? How did he get to the projects? I was expecting him to get revenge on Powell, maybe that is coming? It just doesn't make sense. Plus what is the time frame here? After Daredevil Born Again? This special ending seems so unfinished, like they wanted to make a series but didn't.
That's really more of a recap than a review up there, Shawn, but okay.I have to say, as someone with a masters degree in psychology, this handled Frank's PTSD not only better than any of his Netflix appearances, but also better than most movies and tv shows. I wish it didn't just leave Ma Gnucci and all that stuff with her unresolved, but I assume they're setting up a Disney Plus Punisher series or another special. I also wish someone would just put "Welcome Back Frank" on screen instead of hinting at it, although this handled it better than the Thomas Jane movie. Bernthal was excellent, as usual. So was Judith Light.
On 5/13/2026 at 11:31 AM, Lord_Scareglow said:Wait what? you didn't like the 1st season of Punisher? yes it was a extremely slow burn, but by the end it culiminated into nothing short of an intense dramatic thrill, the characters were so well done (Microchip...dude!), if not sublime, honestly just Jon, he's so and always has been the right guy for this role, he's likely one of the most on point castings, next to star players like RDJ and Chris Evans.
I didn't like it. The first season of the Netflix Punisher series turned what happened to Frank's family into some unnecessary and ridiculously overcomplicated CIA conspiracy. As a long time Punisher reader, I found it insulting. As a long time television viewer, I found it insulting. Like you, I also thought Agent Madani was too front and center and felt like the protagonist much of the time. The second season was a little better.
If they had stopped with season 1 I wouldn't have said mediocre, more of a better than average show.
And agreed on the whole, "stop taking the time to make up a character when we have hundreds in the sandbox to play with already" sentiment.
On 5/13/2026 at 1:11 PM, since83 said:The Hatebreed song was awesome as well. Timing was perfect! I've always wanted a Wolverine movie with pretty much any song off of Earth AD somewhere on the track list. Just imagine Demonomania or Hellhound playing while Logan and Sabretooth tear into eachother!
But as far as the Netflix Punisher. It had great moments. I for sure watched all of it and looked forward to the next episode. But I got sick of him being awoken by his wife in his dreams over and over and over. Season two literally starting with him throwing the Punisher symbol painted vest in a fire really annoyed me. MCU just loves the I quit....wait I'm coming back trope a little too much. Hell, even some of my favorite stuff like DD has done it multiple times through both series now. Just set up their motivation and let's have some fun with a comic book character. And Jigsaw was so wrong it took me out of it. Here's another trope the TV/movie writers can't get past. The villain being a "dark reflection" of our hero. The thing they missed by connecting them, was that Jigsaw was a low level threat until he was made into a Super Villain because Frank wanted to get cute and just take what he loved most, his looks. He was like Frank's punishment for not sticking to " the mission". His act of Hubris thinking he was untouchable and this guy would just go away. Speaking of Jigsaw, anyone else kinda love Dominic West in WarZone?
I agree with you on Jigsaw being not the right Jigsaw, even after he became "jigsaw" proper in season 2, it still didn't feel like the right potrayal, he felt too soft, yes case in point Dominic West in War Zone was a fantastic a much more true to character Jigsaw, the Punisher show tried to make him too human, even Saint & Glass in Jane's Punisher were ultimately more compelling Villains,
I also really can't say I enjoyed Madani and just how she almost at points felt like the shows lead, and she was a totally made up character, we have real comic characters to play with..why that character, her domination of mainly season 2, was a downfall, As for that, Season 2 was nowhere near as good as 1, 1 was well done, Jon and Ebon worked well together, having very different personalitys that bonded to become in total an strong presence, Ebon was so good in his role, despite it being a pretty far car from comic micro...yet again War Zone did this even better with Wayne Knight who literally looked ripped from the comics.
I think I should say...Um I really like Warzone, as much as it did wrong, which actually wasn't much for a punisher movie, Ray was amazing...all the casting was spot on,.
I loved it, I just wish it was longer. I didn't mind the slow build at the beginning that much but it definitely made things fee too short and a bit rushed. I think bumping the runtime up to an hour or 1.5 hours may have solved that. Cool to see Ma Gnucci as the villain, here's hoping we get some more comic Punisher villains in the future. If they do another Punisher show, I'd love to see Barracuda, the Russian, or Bushwhacker show up eventually
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