Disney Abandons Spidey Over Disney-Sony Standoff And Takes Feige With Them

18 minutes ago, komododragin said:

Captain America andHulk wereA-list.

Arguably. While definitely recognizeable, they were far from the stars they are today. I compare these "A" "B" listings not among other Marvel heroes, or among the fandom, but with DC's standings and with pop culture presence.

11 years ago, the only heroes Marvel had that I'd consider "A-listers" were Spider-Man and the X-Men. Hulk had come from a terribly received movie, and Cap was nowhere to be seen. Most of my non-geek friends even disliked the character because they thought he was dull and boring, because the awesome things that he was doing weren't really mainstream.

What I mean is, I'd consider someone an A-lister if they were brought up in a conversation about Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man by someone not truly invested in the hobby.

Today, it's easier to forget Superman than Iron Man.

On 8/23/2019 at 7:43 AM, belmont13 said:

On the bright side if this really means the end of the partnership thenSony can concentrate on their Spider Verse, maybe a crossover with 30 Seconds to Morbius or Venom, maybe we'll get that Silver Sable movie or the Black Cat movie or a Spider Womanmovie or a Miles Morales movie or a Silk movie(fist superhero movie with an Asian female lead does have a nice ring to it)and then they all get together in a Maximum Carnage crossover. Then without Spider Man projects, Kevin Feige andDisney/Marvel Studioscan concentrate on making the X-men and Fantastic Four movies sooner, win win.

But what about the Spider-Man Fantastic 4 crossover we could have gotten.

On 8/23/2019 at 1:26 PM, michiganjfrog said:

agreed

Captain America andHulk wereA-list.

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4 hours ago, Benn said:

Some of youseemto be forgetting that, in every way that matters, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc., were B-list characters until the MCU gave them their household names. Prior to the MCU, Marvel had Spider-Man,and--to a lesser extent--the X-Men. Nothing else came close. They built the MCU on freaks and geeks because they didn't have the rights to their A-list characters, and it worked. Compelling stories and an inter-connected universe showed the mainstream public what comic readers had seen in these characters. And they've done this repeatedly since then. Ten years ago, who would have believed that Black Panther and the Guardians of the Galaxy would be household names? Guardians is pretty much the definition of B- (or even C-) list, yet here we are... Spider-Man is one of the biggest names ever to appear in the MCU, and would have been the holy grail a decade ago, but they just don't need him anymore. The MCU makes its own A-list characters.

agreed

Some of youseemto be forgetting that, in every way that matters, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc., were B-list characters until the MCU gave them their household names. Prior to the MCU, Marvel had Spider-Man,and--to a lesser extent--the X-Men. Nothing else came close. They built the MCU on freaks and geeks because they didn't have the rights to their A-list characters, and it worked. Compelling stories and an inter-connected universe showed the mainstream public what comic readers had seen in these characters. And they've done this repeatedly since then. Ten years ago, who would have believed that Black Panther and the Guardians of the Galaxy would be household names? Guardians is pretty much the definition of B- (or even C-) list, yet here we are... Spider-Man is one of the biggest names ever to appear in the MCU, and would have been the holy grail a decade ago, but they just don't need him anymore. The MCU makes its own A-list characters.

On the bright side if this really means the end of the partnership thenSony can concentrate on their Spider Verse, maybe a crossover with 30 Seconds to Morbius or Venom, maybe we'll get that Silver Sable movie or the Black Cat movie or a Spider Womanmovie or a Miles Morales movie or a Silk movie(fist superhero movie with an Asian female lead does have a nice ring to it)and then they all get together in a Maximum Carnage crossover. Then without Spider Man projects, Kevin Feige andDisney/Marvel Studioscan concentrate on making the X-men and Fantastic Four movies sooner, win win.

I'm going with Shartimus on this one. It's all just BS! Remember when Disney "fired" director James Gunn

16 hours ago, bashpics99 said:

yeah, at this point i think Disney needs Spidey in the mcu more than Sony needs Disney.

This...so much this. Both corporations are acting arrogantly entitled, but from a purely analytical perspective, Sony is dead on to remain recalcitrant.

When Iron Man snapped his fingers and Cap took his time trip in Endgame, it ushered in an MCU B-Team that desperately needs Spidey, Thor, Doc Strange and the Guardians to keep them relevant to audiences.

It's ironic that if Disney stays stubborn on this, when they rule almost the rest of the cinematic world (see any recent BO returns analysis in press on that matter), they very likely will capsize the whole of the MCU...and this when they just made a huge Fox deal that can ensure another 12 years of MCU relevance. But Spidey is the keystone in the bridge to that, and Sony knows it.

Disney needs to perform some risk analysis and come to terms.

yeah, at this point i think Disney needs Spidey in the mcu more than Sony needs Disney. they've done the whole 'spidey learns from mcu mentor' for 2 movies now, time for him to stand on his own or at least rely on mentor-figures within his own supporting cast. I'm sure Sony figures that between the setup the 2 movies have given mcu Spideyand their success with both Spiderverse and Venom, they can afford to cut ties with Disney. Disney otoh, having just removed Cap and Iron Man from future stories, can ill afford to lose Spidey, perhaps the most popular headlinerleft aside from Thor.

From a fan perspective, i hope Sony and Disney work out a deal. But i can see why Sony would balk at Disney's greedy demands and decide to put an end to their previous relationship.