SDCC 2022 - The Marvel Studios Panel Lays Out Phase 5 And Part Of Phase 6

On 11/17/2023 at 8:35 AM, Lord_Scareglow said:

This is weird, so we are doing things like this now? I feel this is a odd step back, after extensively working on connecting everything in the universe and weaving the rich tapestry that is the MCU, we are going to see things that don't really have any connection? that feels hollow, like almost what's the point then, if this show is going to exist in some compartmental state, we are so invested in the entire universe, it would feel like if it wasn't connected to the MCU, why even bother to watch it really? and does that mean we won't see Wonder Man in other MCU films/shows, he's just floating in an alt timeline?

The stand alone thing is just a cop out for lazy writing. They already know they have created continuity errors due to very silly decisions, so now they want to bake in an excuse as to why this project failed, why that program doesn't fit, etc. And what happens if the "stand alone" show knocks it out of the park, like netflix Daredevil? Now they've written themselves into a corner. Its too good to not be part of the MCU, but has elements that don't mesh with the silly plan they already have, so they try to pare down or eliminate those elements. But those are exactly what made it a hit to begin with. They'll put up a watered down version of the concept, hoping fans will ignore that doing so just cuts out the DNA of the greatness they had.

On 11/18/2023 at 3:41 AM, leokearon said:

I wouldn't be surprised if it is done to allow creators the chance to do stuff without all the continuity baggage, but at the same time will be designed with one eye on easily adding them to the MCU if needed

Yeah possibly, but I also remember that they stated already that Trevor (aka fake Mandarin) is going to be a part of the show, so I guess I can calm myself, it still will be part of the MCU and not void of any connection.

On 11/18/2023 at 3:58 AM, tarot said:

I say it's more like what was like with Moon Knight. they reference the outer MCU world but is its own self-contained story without worrying about it effecting the rest of the MCU.

as above point, yeah I'd say you are probably right about this here, it's just a contained story, and not removed from the MCU just not heavily intertwined like most of the material we have seen, yes much like Moon Knight.

I say it's more like what was like with Moon Knight. they reference the outer MCU world but is its own self-contained story without worrying about it effecting the rest of the MCU.

On 11/17/2023 at 5:35 PM, Lord_Scareglow said:

This is weird, so we are doing things like this now? I feel this is a odd step back, after extensively working on connecting everything in the universe and weaving the rich tapestry that is the MCU, we are going to see things that don't really have any connection? that feels hollow, like almost what's the point then, if this show is going to exist in some compartmental state, we are so invested in the entire universe, it would feel like if it wasn't connected to the MCU, why even bother to watch it really? and does that mean we won't see Wonder Man in other MCU films/shows, he's just floating in an alt timeline?

I wouldn't be surprised if it is done to allow creators the chance to do stuff without all the continuity baggage, but at the same time will be designed with one eye on easily adding them to the MCU if needed

On 11/17/2023 at 11:35 AM, Lord_Scareglow said:

This is weird, so we are doing things like this now? I feel this is a odd step back, after extensively working on connecting everything in the universe and weaving the rich tapestry that is the MCU, we are going to see things that don't really have any connection? that feels hollow, like almost what's the point then, if this show is going to exist in some compartmental state, we are so invested in the entire universe, it would feel like if it wasn't connected to the MCU, why even bother to watch it really? and does that mean we won't see Wonder Man in other MCU films/shows, he's just floating in an alt timeline?

I love the connections, that's what drew me to Marvel and the MCU in the first place. It made the movies more exciting because you could imagine the character interacting, which made their stories even larger. That's what made me care about them.............and it all stems back to playing with toys. If I had a Spider-Man figure and a Superman figure, I wanted them to interact---to be in the SAME story, or at least the same universe. So, of course.......when Superman and Spider-Man did cross over..........it blew my fool mind. I thought then ( and still do) that it was the greatest thing ever.

On 11/15/2023 at 3:38 PM, Outsiders said:

It's important to note that Wonder Man will be part of the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are standalone shows that are not connected to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This is weird, so we are doing things like this now? I feel this is a odd step back, after extensively working on connecting everything in the universe and weaving the rich tapestry that is the MCU, we are going to see things that don't really have any connection? that feels hollow, like almost what's the point then, if this show is going to exist in some compartmental state, we are so invested in the entire universe, it would feel like if it wasn't connected to the MCU, why even bother to watch it really? and does that mean we won't see Wonder Man in other MCU films/shows, he's just floating in an alt timeline?

According to Deadline, filmmaker Destin Daniel Cretton has decided to step down as director of Marvel Studios' Avengers: Kang Dynasty to focus on his other Marvel projects. However, this is not a negative departure as Cretton is still very much a part of the Marvel Studios family and is currently in discussions with them about directing future films.

It's worth noting that Avengers: Kang Dynasty is still a few years away from its theatrical release, with a scheduled date of May 1, 2026. This will be followed by Avengers: Secret Wars on May 7, 2027, which will mark the end of Phase 6 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Currently, Cretton is busy working on the Marvel Studios/Disney+ series Wonder Man, which he co-created with Andrew Guest. He is an executive producer on the show and has also directed the first two episodes. Shooting for the series will resume after Thanksgiving. It's important to note that Wonder Man will be part of the new Marvel Spotlight series banner, which are standalone shows that are not connected to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe.

all i know is that phase 4 was mostly underwhelming (altho i 'll admit haven't seen Thor yet and of course haven't seen BP 2) with Shang-Chi being the highlight for me, and even that one suffered from an overly stuffed 3rd act. The D+ shows have all had their moments but i think these series just underscore some of the weaknesses of the mcu, such as introducing interesting issues only to give them a very shallow treatment, detouring from the main narrative to hype up potential spin-off characters, and plot holes that "suspension of disbelief" allows you to paper over during a 2-3 hour movie but are harder to ignore when you have a week between episodes to think about it.

I think its best just to keep in mind that these shows are meant to be appealing to both adult fans and 9- year olds. they can and should try to improve of course but these shows are never gonna be prestige TV, despite some big name actors giving it their best shot

I am looking forward to the 2 Avengers movies as well as other offerings here and there, I'd like to say that I'm not burned out on mcu but feels like most of the projects sound OK rather than awesome. Still, mcu movies are generally among the movies i most look forward to seeing in a given year.

On 7/23/2022 at 11:26 PM, leokearon said:

To be honest there are very few of these that are exciting me. I'm pretty much suffering from MCU burnout

I worry that they're going too fast too far. I said the same thing the first time Eternals was mentioned....a big "what the...?" Thunderbolts....I don't get why they're even thinking of that at this point.

I know there's been a lot of recent grumbling from some in Hollywood that Marvel's "not real cinema" (which is ridiculous), but if they get too much ahead of themselves churning out projects for Phase 4 5 6 7 8 etc., I fear the quality will suffer.

I love Daniel Destin-Cretton and for what he has done with Shang-Chi and The Mandarin and how it gave us proper Asian representation in the MCU and now, I always see myself as the awesome Xu Wenwu. He is no doubt an excellent choice to direct Avengers: Kang Dynasty