Norman Osborn Returns As The Insidious Green Goblin In Amazing Spider-Man #850

1 hour ago, Amazing_2099 said:

Absolutely hated Gwen having sex with Norman. It made zero sense, and was used purelyfor shock value to tell a very weak story line. It was a shame too because I liked the rest of JMS's Spider-Man run.

I stopped buying Spidey comics for a long time after that arc, and still don't read them with the frequency I once did. Gwen was always a rather special character to me, someone who Peter should have married had the Goblin not killed her.

Of course it made no sense and it still won't have made any sense if JMS's original idea of Peter being the dad. The whole idea shouldn't have been greenlit in the first place; but you can say that about a few other Marvel stories.

Absolutely ridiculous, cash-grabby nonsense!

That Norman Osborn never actually died from their classic encounter in AS #122 is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Marvel comics. That and the whole Clone Saga debacle, or things like Thanos never staying dead, etc. It's poor integrity imo, it's the Megacorpmentality too; characters are all 'franchises' now, and the dead ones are only really dead until some writer needs them in order to get attention for book sales.In terms of doing anything new....like actually creating a totally brand new character(s), with a brand new story/ universe, villains...Something like what Kirby did with the Eternals, or New Gods to cite some examples ...Imagine Marvel allowing someone to be that creative today? I think they could get more people interested in comics again if they took more creative chances instead of playing it safe. That and finding a way to make them less expensive.

Absolutely hated Gwen having sex with Norman. It made zero sense, and was used purelyfor shock value to tell a very weak story line. It was a shame too because I liked the rest of JMS's Spider-Man run.

I stopped buying Spidey comics for a long time after that arc, and still don't read them with the frequency I once did. Gwen was always a rather special character to me, someone who Peter should have married had the Goblin not killed her.

Mark Bagley! !

will check this out just for that reason

2 hours ago, bashpics99 said:

"Anyhow, while i was not at all a fan of the "norman had kids with Gwen!" storyline, and in general do not like resurrecting dead characters..."

That story line was so repugnant, and stupidly executed, that I stopped buying Spider-Man altogether. This kind of writing is done solely for shock value, to generate controversy, which they think will result in sales boost. But its crappy "writing"; it ignores not just common sense but everything about the characters we've seen up to this point. Even by superhero comic universe standards, where you have guys lifting 10 tons and leaping 60ft into the air, this storyline made no sense. Spider-Man damn near killed Osborn with his bare hands after he killed Gwen- and Spidey tore into him. Marvel had not established that Goblin had any superpowers at this time, so far as Spidey knows, he's bashing a normal guy. He absolutely set out to kill Osborn. Its idiotic to think he wouldn't have ripped his head off after he "came back to life".

Sorry but there are just events that occur that there's no return from. Like how many times has Dr. Doom tried to kill the FF? Once he even plotted to destroy his entire village just to get them. So this notion that he's nowadays a kind of foster/godfather figure to Reed's kids...COME ON.

So Marvel, you wanna rekindle the Spider-Man /Green Goblin arch rivalry, fine. Only don't let it be Osborn.

I'm laughing that for his big GG comeback , Norman looks like the smallest person on the cover.

Also, hopefully Norman will go back into the grave at the end of this. It was an awful idea to resurrect him in the first place.

Thats whats up green goblin insidious impressive

Im tempted to pick this up just for the Ramos and Bagley art... two of my favourite Spider-Man artists!

Has it really been that long since Norman led the Dark Avengers (and prior to that, the Thunderbolts)?

Anyhow, while i was not at all a fan of the "norman had kids with Gwen!" storyline, and in general do not like resurrecting dead characters, feels like Marvel overall has featured norman in some worthwhile stories since his return from death so i think that decision worked out reasonably well. I give most of the credit to Warren Ellis but Bendis was able to take the ball and run with it, the Dark Avengers stories were pretty much the only bendis avengers arcs i really liked.

Mark Bagley art is something I am looking forward too..glad to see Comics are back