The True Power Of The Ten Rings Is Unleashed On The Marvel Universe

On 3/29/2022 at 7:49 PM, Lord_Scareglow said:

Not sure how I feel about this, does this whole story retcon the original 10 rings that Mandarin wore? and all of the rich history of both Shang Chi and Mandarin from the past, making this story more akin to the new movie? that doesn't work well for me in my mind, unless this is a sort of stand alone story existing elsewhere in the multiverse? I guess like Hogun suggested this will change the story to Mandarin being the true father of Shang Chi, so much alteration I don't know if I can dig it.

I understand that Marvel wants to back away/discard/remold the Mandarin as they feel he's too close to Fu Manchu, which is a character rooted in a racist stereotype. Changing his rings to these bracelets, and the bracelets now to basically infinity stone macguffins, I don't know.

On 3/30/2022 at 12:00 AM, monron999 said:

Why not. They've already pretty much rewritten the concept of the rings and function of them. That in itself basically changes what and who the Mandarin ever was. Chances are that he'll end up being some fallen Celestial (cuz that's the thing they're gonna make happen now) who's body was destroyed while trying to prevent a black hole, opened by a Deviant, of course, from destroying a nearby solar system and was forced to the nearest inhabited planet, which happened to be Earth, where his soul was then forced to take refuge in the body of a human man. And wouldn't you know, that man just happened to be a new father, but due to the all powerful alien god now inhabiting and controlling his body he could no longer get back to his family, though he desperately wanted to, cuz you know, he's actually a good man. Then ten rings were forged out of yet another type of ancient indestructible cosmic metal as it was the only substance that could contain and be a conduit for the manifestation of his true power. Unfortunately the human body was far too fragile to unlock and control that power to use them to their full potential. The good news, no the great news, is that the entire time the Earth man's soul was buried in the subconscious of the body now inhabited by the ancient god he was studying and learning and understanding how to unleash and manipulate the massive power of the rings, but of course, it was far, far too powerful and dangerous to let loose on any planet, let alone Earth.

UNTIL NOW...................

You just wrote the template for an entire 2 year comic run, Look at you going and giving Marvel more ideas, You sir are hired.

So derivative it makes me cringe

On 3/29/2022 at 10:49 PM, Lord_Scareglow said:

Not sure how I feel about this, does this whole story retcon the original 10 rings that Mandarin wore? and all of the rich history of both Shang Chi and Mandarin from the past, making this story more akin to the new movie? that doesn't work well for me in my mind, unless this is a sort of stand alone story existing elsewhere in the multiverse? I guess like Hogun suggested this will change the story to Mandarin being the true father of Shang Chi, so much alteration I don't know if I can dig it.

Hell, with the way these guys just regurgitate each others "ideas" chances are the rings will be yet another manifestation of the All-Black.

On 3/29/2022 at 8:11 PM, Hogun said:

Watch them retcon The Mandarin into being Shang-Chi's real biological father and Zheng Zu is either another name or a puppet.

Why not. They've already pretty much rewritten the concept of the rings and function of them. That in itself basically changes what and who the Mandarin ever was. Chances are that he'll end up being some fallen Celestial (cuz that's the thing they're gonna make happen now) who's body was destroyed while trying to prevent a black hole, opened by a Deviant, of course, from destroying a nearby solar system and was forced to the nearest inhabited planet, which happened to be Earth, where his soul was then forced to take refuge in the body of a human man. And wouldn't you know, that man just happened to be a new father, but due to the all powerful alien god now inhabiting and controlling his body he could no longer get back to his family, though he desperately wanted to, cuz you know, he's actually a good man. Then ten rings were forged out of yet another type of ancient indestructible cosmic metal as it was the only substance that could contain and be a conduit for the manifestation of his true power. Unfortunately the human body was far too fragile to unlock and control that power to use them to their full potential. The good news, no the great news, is that the entire time the Earth man's soul was buried in the subconscious of the body now inhabited by the ancient god he was studying and learning and understanding how to unleash and manipulate the massive power of the rings, but of course, it was far, far too powerful and dangerous to let loose on any planet, let alone Earth.

UNTIL NOW...................

Not sure how I feel about this, does this whole story retcon the original 10 rings that Mandarin wore? and all of the rich history of both Shang Chi and Mandarin from the past, making this story more akin to the new movie? that doesn't work well for me in my mind, unless this is a sort of stand alone story existing elsewhere in the multiverse? I guess like Hogun suggested this will change the story to Mandarin being the true father of Shang Chi, so much alteration I don't know if I can dig it.

Watch them retcon The Mandarin into being Shang-Chi's real biological father and Zheng Zu is either another name or a puppet.

On 3/29/2022 at 5:22 PM, ADour said:

Wrong tree. The main driving force behind synergy is editors. They're the ones that nudge writers to dress the X-Men in black leather uniforms, give Spider-Man organic web-shooters, introduce Harley Quinn to the comics, have Sam Wilson reclaim the mantle of Captain America, make Gotham look more neo-gothic, etc.

Synergy has also been there for longer than anybody currently making comics. Both Jimmy Olsen and Kryptonite originated in the Superman radio show, and thefirst Batman film serial gave us the Batcave. All of this back in the 1940s.

That being said, there are good and bad examples of synergy, but as for synergy itself... it's just a tool of the trade.

Fair enough. But all that argument does is reenforce the idea that all the idea folks who are supposedly behind all the creative power in comics basically just carry water for the people who write the movies. Also, the editors lay out the ideas and put the writers in charge. So if they're just doing what they're told all they basically are are glorified dialog writers. And even that ain't good.

The basis is still there. How creative are these professionals really, when all they do is play follow the leader with the MCU? At least the art consistently gets better and better.

On 3/29/2022 at 6:35 PM, monron999 said:

Funny how all these so-called writers fancy themselves as such geniuses, yet all they can think to do is mimic everything as it happens in the movies. Now the 10 rings are even more powerful and ancient than the infinity stones. So creative. And now they look and operate just like they did in the movie. How unique. Give me a freaking break. If you're just gonna parrot everything someone else established I hoped you'd at least have the decency to credit Daniel Cretton with the writing cuz all you're basically doing is vomiting fan fiction based on his creation. Where do they get these people?

Wrong tree. The main driving force behind synergy is editors. They're the ones that nudge writers to dress the X-Men in black leather uniforms, give Spider-Man organic web-shooters, introduce Harley Quinn to the comics, have Sam Wilson reclaim the mantle of Captain America, make Gotham look more neo-gothic, etc.

Synergy has also been there for longer than anybody currently making comics. Both Jimmy Olsen and Kryptonite originated in the Superman radio show, and thefirst Batman film serial gave us the Batcave. All of this back in the 1940s.

That being said, there are good and bad examples of synergy, but as for synergy itself... it's just a tool of the trade.

Funny how all these so-called writers fancy themselves as such geniuses, yet all they can think to do is mimic everything as it happens in the movies. Now the 10 rings are even more powerful and ancient than the infinity stones. So creative. And now they look and operate just like they did in the movie. How unique. Give me a freaking break. If you're just gonna parrot everything someone else established I hoped you'd at least have the decency to credit Daniel Cretton with the writing cuz all you're basically doing is vomiting fan fiction based on his creation. Where do they get these people?