The Fall Of X Begins At This Year's Hellfire Gala And Calls For The Return Of The Uncanny Avengers

On 3/23/2023 at 11:12 AM, monron999 said:

Similarly, that was the same childish, petty, immature BS that made them try, and miserably fail, to kill off the Mutants and replace them with the oh so booooring, step-sister, perpetual extras the Inhumans. Now where are they? No one knows. I mean Black Bolt, errrrrrrr.......I mean Blackagar Boltagon made an appearance, and met a very satisfying end, in Multiverse of Madness, so we can assume they exist in the MCU, but now one of the most notable Inhumans in recent Marvel, Ms. Marvel herself, has been turned, or very strongly insinuated to be a mutant. That's what makes me angry that she's suddenly the first Mutant in the MCU. Of course, people hit me with the go-to rhetoric that I was full of hate and all the other locked and loaded cheap shots that are the norm for this time in history, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with that. These idiots, overly confident by the success given them by the MCU, put all their power and push behind the Inhumans to get rid of the Mutants and in the end they ended up having to back up a money truck to Fox to get those characters back. Now Mutants are the big game in town, and all is supposed to be forgiven, and suddenly there's a ton more characters that turn out to be Mutants after all. It's all so ridiculous, but hey, they gave Marvel a ton or "Return Of" stories to milk for many years to come.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. The whole trying to replace Mutants with Inhumans thing was complete crap. And they tried to do it because of the Disney/Fox feud. Same reason why the Fantastic Four was banished from the comic books for three years. When you try to turn the comic books into the movies, all you're succeeding in is ruining the comic books. The movies are fun to watch, but then then they're forgotten about. They should NEVER dictate what happens in a comic book, especially books like Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four, which each carry 60+ years of continuity under their belts. Wanna make MCU-based comics? Great. Start an imprint, like Ultimate Comics. Let it have its own separate universe. You can water down the characters as much as you want, and have all the bland adventures and terrible retcons your eyes can handle. Just leave the mainstream comics alone. They were fine for 50+ years before the MCU came along, and they'll be around long after the movies are no longer being made. They (and the true fans) don't deserve to have decades of continuity tossed out the window, just because they want to synergize with an upcoming movie that no one will care about in six months.

On 3/22/2023 at 7:05 PM, RobertD said:

You are definitely correct that the change was due to animosity between the two companies, though. Probably came straight from Perlmutter as nothing more than a petty way to needle the competition. Nonetheless, they didn't *need* to change it for the MCU, they just did it anyway.

Similarly, that was the same childish, petty, immature BS that made them try, and miserably fail, to kill off the Mutants and replace them with the oh so booooring, step-sister, perpetual extras the Inhumans. Now where are they? No one knows. I mean Black Bolt, errrrrrrr.......I mean Blackagar Boltagon made an appearance, and met a very satisfying end, in Multiverse of Madness, so we can assume they exist in the MCU, but now one of the most notable Inhumans in recent Marvel, Ms. Marvel herself, has been turned, or very strongly insinuated to be a mutant. That's what makes me angry that she's suddenly the first Mutant in the MCU. Of course, people hit me with the go-to rhetoric that I was full of hate and all the other locked and loaded cheap shots that are the norm for this time in history, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with that. These idiots, overly confident by the success given them by the MCU, put all their power and push behind the Inhumans to get rid of the Mutants and in the end they ended up having to back up a money truck to Fox to get those characters back. Now Mutants are the big game in town, and all is supposed to be forgiven, and suddenly there's a ton more characters that turn out to be Mutants after all. It's all so ridiculous, but hey, they gave Marvel a ton or "Return Of" stories to milk for many years to come.

On 3/23/2023 at 12:09 AM, tarot said:

And this is why I'm grateful that racist and sexist P***k is gone. All he cares about was getting his way and damn the consequences.

Beside they could always change it back by simply saying High Evolutionary was lying or insane. Though the Magneto thing is something I could do without.

What has always been a problem I've had with Wanda's parentage, is the fact that she takes all the revelations at face value. She doesn't question them, to find anything to back it up. If she wanted to know about her parents then get a DNA test also ask her aunt who is still alive for more information.

On 3/23/2023 at 12:05 AM, RobertD said:

Probably came straight from Perlmutter as nothing more than a petty way to needle the competition. Nonetheless, they didn't *need* to change it for the MCU, they just did it anyway.

And this is why I'm grateful that racist and sexist P***k is gone. All he cares about was getting his way and damn the consequences.

Beside they could always change it back by simply saying High Evolutionary was lying or insane. Though the Magneto thing is something I could do without.

On 3/19/2023 at 5:03 PM, GarimusPrime said:

"...and dropping their mutant origin was the only way they could appear in the MCU..."

This is widely believed but not actually true. There was already a usage agreement in place long before this change was made (heck, Aaron Taylor-Johnson was cast in the role way back in 2013). The only stipulation for the usage was that they couldn't be called Mutants and Magneto couldn't be referenced.

You are definitely correct that the change was due to animosity between the two companies, though. Probably came straight from Perlmutter as nothing more than a petty way to needle the competition. Nonetheless, they didn't *need* to change it for the MCU, they just did it anyway.

The cover for issue #7 goes hard.

FALL OF X is coming, and as the X-Men brace themselves for the dark road ahead, theyll also find strength in mutantkinds new ally: Iron Man! Writer Gerry Duggan, currently helming the X-MEN and INVINCIBLE IRON MAN ongoing series, will weave together and feature essential stories in both titles that will impact the X-Mens upcoming status quo.Things have already been set in motion as Feilong, the mutant-hating industrialist from Duggans X-MEN, is now in control of Stark Unlimiteds incredible resources and plans to use them in Orchis vicious war against mutants. As events escalate, will Tony step up to become one mutantkinds greatest defenders? Or will he join them in the bleak world that awaits them all in FALL OF X?Dont miss these key turning points in both titles starting in June:Following their soon-to-be-shocking debut in FREE COMIC BOOK DAY 2023: AVENGERS/X-MEN #1, the new Stark Sentinels will have their first run-in with the X-Men in X-MEN #23. Feilong has devoted Iron Mans technology to build the next generation of Sentinels! These upgraded versions are as hard to beat as old Shellhead himself and are fully devoted to crushing the X-Men!Then in INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #7, Tony Stark is in dire need of a win! But how does he plan to get ahead? By building a new suit of armor! The suits first objective? Infiltrate and destroy Stark Industries! And thats not all, Julys INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #8 will tie directly into this years HELLFIRE GALA! As the X-Men celebrate mutantkinds biggest night, Iron Man has to contend with the new Stark Sentinels flying through New York! Can Tony stop these mutant-hunting machines alone?Check out the covers now and stay tuned for more FALL OF X news, including new title announcements!

On 3/19/2023 at 10:03 PM, GarimusPrime said:

I don't think their parentage and their status as mutants were specifically tied into each other, but, I absolutely hate the fact that they undid it. Having Magneto be their father was a fun way to tie the X-Men and Avengers universes to each other. The editorial reason for taking away their mutant status was due to Disney/Fox hating each other, and dropping their mutant origin was the only way they could appear in the MCU. Naturally, as always, the comics have to suffer because of it.

Yeah, their parentage should have no bearing on their mutant status, after all they were mutants for 20 years before Magneto was retconned to being their father, so why should that change when he isn't. Avengers and X-men were already linked due to Wanda, Pietro and even the Beast and it wasn't really used much by either comic barring the odd reference.

On 3/18/2023 at 12:58 PM, leokearon said:

While I was never a fan of Magneto being Wanda and Pietro's dad, I still didn't like the Axis retconning them not being mutants for the lamest of reasons. Oh Magento isn't their dad so they must not be mutants either. What logic is that?

I don't think their parentage and their status as mutants were specifically tied into each other, but, I absolutely hate the fact that they undid it. Having Magneto be their father was a fun way to tie the X-Men and Avengers universes to each other. The editorial reason for taking away their mutant status was due to Disney/Fox hating each other, and dropping their mutant origin was the only way they could appear in the MCU. Naturally, as always, the comics have to suffer because of it.

On 3/18/2023 at 4:30 PM, GarimusPrime said:

Oh, it was completely stupid. And don't get me started on the whole Wanda and Pietro no longer being mutants thing. Yeah, let's just erase 50+ years of established continuity, just so we can have the comics synergize with a movie that nobody is gonna care about in six months...

Superior Iron Man was interesting, but would've gotten old real quick. That's probably why they planned to have it come out just before Secret Wars (2015), because they knew they were hitting the reset button with the event, so they could really just do whatever they wanted beforehand. Probably the same reason that final issue of Hickman's Avengers book looks like it ended with Captain America and Iron Man dying while fighting each other.

While I was never a fan of Magneto being Wanda and Pietro's dad, I still didn't like the Axis retconning them not being mutants for the lamest of reasons. Oh Magento isn't their dad so they must not be mutants either. What logic is that?