On 7/2/2024 at 7:14 PM, Atlantis said:I hear that, but it just shows laziness and lack of creativity. Same thing for Miles (Spider-Man). Generally, I despise copy-cat characters but at the very least, if they have to have them, give them their own names. Does everything have to be a hand-me-down? Also the Captain America thing....why on earth is that still going on? Cap asked Falcon to step in for him. He did that, despite all the ungratefulness he he dealt with. Cap got his abilities back, Falcon needs to go back to his own brand. The Falcon isn't some 2nd or 3rd rate copy of a more established character- he was Marvel's first black American superhero (Black Panther is Wakandan) and they should be proud on its own right.
Change the colors on X23 and call her Mustelid. Call Kate Toxophilitefor all I care. Kid Arachnid, why not (ok those names are jokes but seriously, Just give them their own and move on).
Well to be fair, Miles, Kate and Laura got those codenames because the original was dead and they became their successor. But I agree at some point they need to stand out and get their own codenames.
On 7/1/2024 at 1:09 AM, leokearon said:Logan and Laura are both Wolverine same way Clint and Kate are Hawkeye
I hear that, but it just shows laziness and lack of creativity. Same thing for Miles (Spider-Man). Generally, I despise copy-cat characters but at the very least, if they have to have them, give them their own names. Does everything have to be a hand-me-down? Also the Captain America thing....why on earth is that still going on? Cap asked Falcon to step in for him. He did that, despite all the ungratefulness he he dealt with. Cap got his abilities back, Falcon needs to go back to his own brand. The Falcon isn't some 2nd or 3rd rate copy of a more established character- he was Marvel's first black American superhero (Black Panther is Wakandan) and they should be proud on its own right.
Change the colors on X23 and call her Mustelid. Call Kate Toxophilitefor all I care. Kid Arachnid, why not (ok those names are jokes but seriously, Just give them their own and move on).
On 7/1/2024 at 4:09 AM, leokearon said:Logan and Laura are both Wolverine same way Clint and Kate are Hawkeye
Yes. There's that. Plus the fact that they all pretty much call each other by their first names anyway. I guess I just hate the ANAD so fiercely and hate the fact that they hold this thing up as the shinning light of one of the few good things that came out of that whole fiasco. But it's all BS. X-23 was a thing before the ANAD and she was pretty popular in her own right already. All they did in the ANAD was rebrand her and give her a series. And TBH it was pretty good but I argue that it would have done just as well as X-23.
On 7/1/2024 at 10:01 AM, AndyL said:I wouldn't be suprised if it was. Again I'm not tearing down the character or the book. It was one of the better ones at that time. That's not the point. I'm just saying it's time call Logan Wolverine again. All the toys and merchandise and media are back to Logan as Wolverine. It's like actual Marvel Comics is the only one to not get the memo.
Poor Gabby. Again not the character's fault. That was just a poorly conceived effort to liven things up and it was another terrible failure.
Logan and Laura are both Wolverine same way Clint and Kate are Hawkeye
On 6/30/2024 at 10:20 PM, ADour said:Wasn't All-New Wolverine the best received legacy character from its litter and isn't Tom Taylor's run lauded as one of Laura's best books, though?
I wouldn't be suprised if it was. Again I'm not tearing down the character or the book. It was one of the better ones at that time. That's not the point. I'm just saying it's time call Logan Wolverine again. All the toys and merchandise and media are back to Logan as Wolverine. It's like actual Marvel Comics is the only one to not get the memo.
On 7/1/2024 at 2:27 AM, leokearon said:They only thing that ruined that run was Gabby
Poor Gabby. Again not the character's fault. That was just a poorly conceived effort to liven things up and it was another terrible failure.
On 7/1/2024 at 4:20 AM, ADour said:Wasn't All-New Wolverine the best received legacy character from its litter and isn't Tom Taylor's run lauded as one of Laura's best books, though?
They only thing that ruined that run was Gabby
On 6/30/2024 at 11:53 PM, AndyL said:The geniuses behind the ANAD fiasco did it with the entire character replacement coup they tried to pull. But she was already a great character before those clowns got ahold of her. It was actually a disservice to her IMO when they basically changed her name and identity to try to doup everyone to except her as the only Wolverine.
Wasn't All-New Wolverine the best received legacy character from its litter and isn't Tom Taylor's run lauded as one of Laura's best books, though?
On 6/30/2024 at 2:13 AM, leokearon said:Laura was great as Wolverine and it's a better codename than a number given to her by an evil organisation. It shows she has moved on and evolved. Alos she didn't still the identity, Logan was dead and she was the natural choice to inherit the mantle.
Don't get me wrong. Not knocking the character. Love Laura. She's one of the best characters created before this entire clone trend got way out of hand. Didn't mean she stole Wolvies identity. She herself own none of the blame. As far as fictional characters go. The geniuses behind the ANAD fiasco did it with the entire character replacement coup they tried to pull. But she was already a great character before those clowns got ahold of her. It was actually a disservice to her IMO when they basically changed her name and identity to try to doup everyone to except her as the only Wolverine. They even changed her personality and attitude to be exactly like Logan's just short of calling everyone bub. All I'm saying is it's time to recognize Logan as Wolverine again and Laura as her own character again. Same thing with Sam. We all want Falcon back. The experiment is over. It failed. Time to abandon it. It's like they're the only ones who don't understand they screwed up. Rant over.
On 6/30/2024 at 3:00 AM, AndyL said:Really are we not yet at the point we can stop the delusion and Logan can be Woverine and Laura can be X-23 again? There was nothing wrong with that to begin with. The ANAD was by far the worst disaster in Marvel history. Can we just dump most of that junk and just keep the few good things that came out of it? This Wolverine stolen identity thing wasn't one of them.
Laura was great as Wolverine and it's a better codename than a number given to her by an evil organisation. It shows she has moved on and evolved. Alos she didn't still the identity, Logan was dead and she was the natural choice to inherit the mantle.
Really are we not yet at the point we can stop the delusion and Logan can be Woverine and Laura can be X-23 again? There was nothing wrong with that to begin with. The ANAD was by far the worst disaster in Marvel history. Can we just dump most of that junk and just keep the few good things that came out of it? This Wolverine stolen identity thing wasn't one of them.
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