Marvel's Disney+ Series Echo Receives TV-MA Rating, Introduces First Native American And Deaf Lead

Anyone knows who other Marvel Character will be introduced? The Native American images settle a perfect stage for American Eagle (there is a strong man back torso), and I really hope Kingpin get the cp-protagonism instead just antagonist

On 11/4/2023 at 12:47 PM, Atlantis said:

Well if she's got such "lame" powers why the french toast is he even doing the show?? If he's saying this in an interview thats supposed to hype the series before it even airs, then how's he gonna treat the character later?

Well I used to think the better writers worked in the comic industry so automatically the comics characters and stories were naturally better. But I eventually came to the realization that any writer with any real creativity or fresh ideas was either already working in Hollywood or would be shortly. It's just a money thing. There's a lot more in movies and TV. Of course there are still a ton of talentless airbags as well that are still employed in high places for a myriad of other reasons we won't go into. But by the writing of pretty much all Big comics in probably the last decade or so I'd honestly say comics probably has the lower 3rd of capable writing talents. Gone are the days of real ideas men like Stan and Jack and Steve. Or even Shooter or Claremont. I mean when Dan Slott and Donny Cates and the rest of the Same Formula But In A Different Book crew are considered the cream of the crop we are in some serious hard times.

So I said that to say this. The Hollywood writers were able to improve on a character like Kamala Khan except for the Mutant thing. And also many of the Black Order so to think they could do it with Echo is not a stretch. What I don't like is that they'll probably OP her now. One of the things I liked about her was she was another hero on the level of Daredevil. With some serious limitations but with other skills to elevate them above and beyond those limits. From what I hear they're going to have her develope some kind of Black Canary type echo-sound powers so that puts her at a much higher power level. Essentially ruining what made her a halfway unique character in the first place.

On 11/4/2023 at 8:53 AM, since83 said:

Read an interview with one of the creators who was touting her having "cooler powers than her lame comic powers". This is really the problem with all these creators who are indeed getting in their own way. The hubris to say they are going to make it better often IS the problem. And the tonedeaf way that this guy thought comic fans and fans of the character from Hawkeye were gonna be excited that they changed her powers. If they don't like the powers or any other characteristics, they really should just use one of the thousands of Marvel characters and utilize them in that place. Or just don't be allowed to change the fundamentals of the character.

Well if she's got such "lame" powers why the french toast is he even doing the show?? If he's saying this in an interview thats supposed to hype the series before it even airs, then how's he gonna treat the character later?

Finally decided to watch the trailer and it has me intrigued. I was just going to pass on this but I may now eventually watch it.

Read an interview with one of the creators who was touting her having "cooler powers than her lame comic powers". This is really the problem with all these creators who are indeed getting in their own way. The hubris to say they are going to make it better often IS the problem. And the tonedeaf way that this guy thought comic fans and fans of the character from Hawkeye were gonna be excited that they changed her powers. If they don't like the powers or any other characteristics, they really should just use one of the thousands of Marvel characters and utilize them in that place. Or just don't be allowed to change the fundamentals of the character.

Wasn't big on Echo getting her own show, I felt it seemed highly unnecessary, but it was always going to boil down to, did it look good and was it going to entertain, this trailer looks decent, it's really fun to see this way more comic accurate looking kingpin, and he seems as ruthless if not more then in Daredevil, The TV MA rating here has me hopeful that this will have some edge to it that we need in the MCU.

At first I wasn't a fan of Echo getting her own show (it just seems that they wanna give a D+ show to everyone these days), but first impressions here are positive. I'm also glad that they are bringing more mature content into the otherwise pg13 world of the MCU.

On 11/3/2023 at 10:14 PM, AndyL said:

I just don't understand why Disney lost the simple concept of just making a good show and people will watch. Seriously thats all we need. Whoever you put in the show. Whatever rating you give it. As long as it gets the job done and the final product I good. I love the Echo character concept and i like the character from the comic but I really don't like the actor they chose to portray her and i think they did a terible job with her on the Hawkeye show but if this show is good I'll watch. Simple as that.

TV production is so political, with so many agendas going on and so much money and other tangibles riding on it that they have this overwhelming compulsion to "get things right".But they frequently end up getting in their own way. That's why a lot of these things are essentially created by a committee, with so much consultation and compromise that tripping up is a common problem. The foundational thought is........of course.........why don't they let ONE person make all the judgment calls? Sure.........but they follow that with "what if they are WRONG"??? Some much money rides on it, so much risk that they constantly second-guess themselves.BUT.............the same mechanism that can make these shows fail.......is also the very same means that they can create something successful. it has to be hammered out, and it has to appease a LOT of people in the process. It is not easy or simple, by any stretch.

I just don't understand why Disney lost the simple concept of just making a good show and people will watch. Seriously thats all we need. Whoever you put in the show. Whatever rating you give it. As long as it gets the job done and the final product I good. I love the Echo character concept and i like the character from the comic but I really don't like the actor they chose to portray her and i think they did a terible job with her on the Hawkeye show but if this show is good I'll watch. Simple as that.

All the "experts" who said Disney would never do this kind of rating content.

At any rate, I'm glad they're coming to their senses and realizing certain properties are just going to have to be what they are, if they're going to be successful. Now this doesn't mean everything could or even should swing that way; Blade yes but Wonderman, no. At least now more projects have a better chance of existing.

So lets see a decent Werewolf by Night this time. And where's my Killraven miniseries...