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Hasbro, like Mattel, is doing 6 inch and 3 3/4 inch figures. My favorite scale is 6 inch but I'll buy the little figures of Avenger and Hulk related characters to be certain. The first appearance and the modern versions of Ms.Marvel are as good as mine! I have no fear whatsoever of 6 inch Marvel Legends going away. These crazy toys have been absorbing my cash since 2002 and years from now they'll still be doing it! I need a bigger house.
oh man i need that hulk it looks amazing!! even if its not a scale im used to i think im gonna like these :]]
didnt i buy all your superhero showdown figs? i know it was somebody from JBL... i think those are going to be my "skrulls" when the hasbro MU figures come out. so thanks again for those! i will also support both scales, simply out of love for the marvel property as a whole, and a supporter of hasbro. sure, they may have missed the mark on a few figures in the 6 inch scale laltey, and have been somewhat lacking on shelves entirely. but what i think that was all about was a sort of "quiet before the storm", you know? they were busy developing some really great stuff and needed to slow product down to a trickle so they could concentrate more on development than sales. makes sense to me. i mean, would you like to eat a cake before or AFTER its cooked? patience. yes. so yeah, i am stoked about this smaller scale. i am a huge fan of gi joes and obviously a fan of the scale. i cant wait for more joe/marvel team ups on my shelves!
Folks also seem to realize that Hasbro tends to think in terms of "entire brand" rather than "individual line within a brand." If 3 3/4" figures fail, it's not going to automatically bring back 6" figures full-force. In fact, less money in the Marvel brand at Hasbro means less product overall. The best chance of 6" figures coming back full force is the 3.75" line being a raging success (along with consistent sell-throughs of the two-packs and exclusive lines of 6" figures). Trying to turn it into a "war" is just going to hurt both scales. Hasbro isn't a company that abandons products altogether. They just put them to bed for a little while then bring them back with a "relaunch." Right now, Hasbro's Marvel Legends are likely just being primed for such an occurrence. Let's also not forget the retailers' role in all this. Retailers like smaller products that take up less shelf space and cost less (per unit) for them to ship from store to store. I highly doubt the 3.75" Marvel figures are part of Hasbro's secret plot to get rid of Marvel Legends as they are a line to cater to retailers' desires as much as (a good portion of) the fandom's. Oh, and comparing Superhero Showdown to what we've seen of these Hasbro figures is like comparing Toy Biz first few assortments of "Marvel Superheroes" to Marvel Legends. Superhero Showdown wasn't a failure because of scale, it was a failure because they were crappy figures with a shoehorned-in "game" aspect. PS: Superhero Showdown also may not have failed because of poor sales anyway. Given the timeframe it emerged, it's entirely likely Hasbro canned the line to re-engineer it from the ground up into this new 3.75" line. I seem to recall hearing something along these lines back when Hasbro first got the license and Toy Biz was winding down.
[The showdown line did fail. They were canned way before toybiz lost the license. Selling like hot cakes? They couldn't even give them away here. In Montreal? Once again your limited viewpoint arrogantly attempts to speak for all the rest. Super Hero Showdown's "failure" was due mostly to the inclusion of the 'game' (produced by UpperDeck) which boosted the price-point to nearly that of the 6" Marvel Legends counterparts. Had these been marketed at a more realistic price (sans the lame game pieces), these would have performed better as there was actually quite a bit of interest from Marvel Legend collectors (myself included). This line was not created to replace Marvel Legends anymore than Hasbro's 3 3/4" is; it is simply an extension (that appears to done right this time). I am quite sure that Marvel Legends will continue and become even more 'collector oriented' than ever before. Meanwhile, the 3 3/4" will serve as a jump-on point for new collectors at a more accessable price-point and availability. It just so happens that a few of us actually like this scale (1:18) and are excited about what we are seeing. Why are you so threatened by all this? Is it because perhaps deep-down you know that this MU line is going to ROCK!?! B)
Arrogant view point??? Not in the least, i'm only judging by what i see here since i'm not anywere else. The fact superhero showdown was canned only tells me that they bombed everywere,because it wouldn't have been canned if it had only failed here obviously. I'm the first one to hope legends will countinue but i'd be very surprised that hasbro would have 2 lines of the same product competing against each other. But i guess you never know,maybe they wan't to use one to boost the sales of the other. To bring this long debate to a close(lol), more power to those waiting for this line,my only hope is that it doesn't mean the end of legends. I am not "threatened" at all as you put it,just a bit weary of whats in store for the future of legends. As stated before ,i'm impressed by the pics weve seen of the 3 3/4 line, but i will definately not collect it. I have no room, $ or patience too start again. Here's hoping for the best for everyone!!
Am I the only person out here who will continue to collect the 6 inch figures AND will collect the 3.75" line when it debuts? I really doubt it. Why are collectors so pessimistic? =) I don't think Hasbro is trying to replace Marvel Legends ... I think they're trying to sell as much product as possible (which would make sense, because they do this to make money). Therefore, I would think they want BOTH lines to be successful! And why wouldn't they try to create more sales in this scale?? Look at the recent success of the new GI Joe line. Marvel characters are well suited to similar size/articulation as the Joes. It also opens up possibilities for playsets and vehicles. Not to mention that Mattel has already begun a line of 3.75" DC figures (just saw some in Target last week). Are we worried that Mattel is going to replace their 6 inch DC line too? So I say: Keep buying, and they'll keep producing. Now everyone be nice! We're here to have fun, not upset people. [The showdown line did fail. They were canned way before toybiz lost the license. Selling like hot cakes? They couldn't even give them away here. In Montreal? Once again your limited viewpoint arrogantly attempts to speak for all the rest. Super Hero Showdown's "failure" was due mostly to the inclusion of the 'game' (produced by UpperDeck) which boosted the price-point to nearly that of the 6" Marvel Legends counterparts. Had these been marketed at a more realistic price (sans the lame game pieces), these would have performed better as there was actually quite a bit of interest from Marvel Legend collectors (myself included). This line was not created to replace Marvel Legends anymore than Hasbro's 3 3/4" is; it is simply an extension (that appears to done right this time). I am quite sure that Marvel Legends will continue and become even more 'collector oriented' than ever before. Meanwhile, the 3 3/4" will serve as a jump-on point for new collectors at a more accessable price-point and availability. It just so happens that a few of us actually like this scale (1:18) and are excited about what we are seeing. Why are you so threatened by all this? Is it because perhaps deep-down you know that this MU line is going to ROCK!?! B)
I agree with both these guys 100%
[The showdown line did fail. They were canned way before toybiz lost the license. Selling like hot cakes? They couldn't even give them away here. In Montreal? Once again your limited viewpoint arrogantly attempts to speak for all the rest. Super Hero Showdown's "failure" was due mostly to the inclusion of the 'game' (produced by UpperDeck) which boosted the price-point to nearly that of the 6" Marvel Legends counterparts. Had these been marketed at a more realistic price (sans the lame game pieces), these would have performed better as there was actually quite a bit of interest from Marvel Legend collectors (myself included). This line was not created to replace Marvel Legends anymore than Hasbro's 3 3/4" is; it is simply an extension (that appears to done right this time). I am quite sure that Marvel Legends will continue and become even more 'collector oriented' than ever before. Meanwhile, the 3 3/4" will serve as a jump-on point for new collectors at a more accessable price-point and availability. It just so happens that a few of us actually like this scale (1:18) and are excited about what we are seeing. Why are you so threatened by all this? Is it because perhaps deep-down you know that this MU line is going to ROCK!?! B)
Am I the only person out here who will continue to collect the 6 inch figures AND will collect the 3.75" line when it debuts? I really doubt it. Why are collectors so pessimistic? =) I don't think Hasbro is trying to replace Marvel Legends ... I think they're trying to sell as much product as possible (which would make sense, because they do this to make money). Therefore, I would think they want BOTH lines to be successful! And why wouldn't they try to create more sales in this scale?? Look at the recent success of the new GI Joe line. Marvel characters are well suited to similar size/articulation as the Joes. It also opens up possibilities for playsets and vehicles. Not to mention that Mattel has already begun a line of 3.75" DC figures (just saw some in Target last week). Are we worried that Mattel is going to replace their 6 inch DC line too? So I say: Keep buying, and they'll keep producing. Now everyone be nice! We're here to have fun, not upset people.
Regardless of whether you like these smaller scale legends, the discussion of the six inch legends is relevant because the production of the smaller ones will affect them, if not immediately, then in the future. The six inch scale has been somewhat fragmented and unorganized for awhile. First, the changeover from Toybiz gave the figures a new, awkward packaging and looked, arguably, different and possibly worse. Since then there has been FF Legends, Spider-man Legends, Spider-man movie trilogy, Iron-Man movie, and now Hulk Legends, all competing for shelf space, or at least shelf space replenishment, with the normal HML lines. These movie and spin off lines were better organized under one name with more marketable character assortments. It's not entirely Hasbro's fault for the character assortment, there have been so many legends that eventually those characters were going to be the only ones left. Hasbro came in when the notable characters-to-do list was probably pretty sparse. Now we have two packs, exclusives, and people want boxsets, an X-Men Legends line, and online only stuff. It's getting more and more complicated, regardless of the reasons behind it. It's not a sustainable model for easy distribution. It's too hard to please everybody. Around where I live at least, you can't even buy the damn things in the store because they are always gone or the good ones picked away. Factor in the rising cost of production for the six inch, and the awkward timing that Hasbro came in to the normal ML line and you can see why they would want to refocus, make the line "their own" so to speak. Whether you like it or not, ML is now a Hasbro product and not a Toybiz one anymore. Whichever was better is irrelevant. What matters is Hasbro is going to continue it their way. Their way is going to be what they consider to be feasible. Look at the packaging for the 3 3/4." It's uniform. It's organized. Every character is united under one banner again- the HML banner. No longer is everything separated (FFL, HL, IM Movie, two packs, etc). The figures are small enough to get people to buy them all because they cost less. Hasbro can do whatever figures they want and not have to play sloppy seconds after Toybiz has had their fun. Six inch will continue for awhile, maybe as long as Hasbro can because someone there feels guilty about ending the line and screwing all of us that bought them all these years. Just by looking at the smaller figures, those are what Hasbro wants to succeed. They want everything to sell of course, but if they had their choice, they'd probably pick their new babies. You are delusional if you think two separate but equal lines of Marvel toys will survive alongside each other. One will eventually win. The whole thing will create two sides on message boards with people firmly entrenched in opposing camps representing the size of plastic and confused children whose parents accidentally buy them the wrong spider-man who is too small to fight the movie line doctor octopus from a few years back. Do I like it? No, I would prefer the 6" to go on. But I understand why. If 6" is done, I'm done. I'll probably move to statues or something, maybe nothing. For those that want these smaller ones, enjoy them. We can't say 6" ML didn't have a good run. Very well said. I agree 120%. Regardless of whether you like these smaller scale legends, the discussion of the six inch legends is relevant because the production of the smaller ones will affect them, if not immediately, then in the future. The six inch scale has been somewhat fragmented and unorganized for awhile. First, the changeover from Toybiz gave the figures a new, awkward packaging and looked, arguably, different and possibly worse. Since then there has been FF Legends, Spider-man Legends, Spider-man movie trilogy, Iron-Man movie, and now Hulk Legends, all competing for shelf space, or at least shelf space replenishment, with the normal HML lines. These movie and spin off lines were better organized under one name with more marketable character assortments. It's not entirely Hasbro's fault for the character assortment, there have been so many legends that eventually those characters were going to be the only ones left. Hasbro came in when the notable characters-to-do list was probably pretty sparse. Now we have two packs, exclusives, and people want boxsets, an X-Men Legends line, and online only stuff. It's getting more and more complicated, regardless of the reasons behind it. It's not a sustainable model for easy distribution. It's too hard to please everybody. Around where I live at least, you can't even buy the damn things in the store because they are always gone or the good ones picked away. Factor in the rising cost of production for the six inch, and the awkward timing that Hasbro came in to the normal ML line and you can see why they would want to refocus, make the line "their own" so to speak. Whether you like it or not, ML is now a Hasbro product and not a Toybiz one anymore. Whichever was better is irrelevant. What matters is Hasbro is going to continue it their way. Their way is going to be what they consider to be feasible. Look at the packaging for the 3 3/4." It's uniform. It's organized. Every character is united under one banner again- the HML banner. No longer is everything separated (FFL, HL, IM Movie, two packs, etc). The figures are small enough to get people to buy them all because they cost less. Hasbro can do whatever figures they want and not have to play sloppy seconds after Toybiz has had their fun. Six inch will continue for awhile, maybe as long as Hasbro can because someone there feels guilty about ending the line and screwing all of us that bought them all these years. Just by looking at the smaller figures, those are what Hasbro wants to succeed. They want everything to sell of course, but if they had their choice, they'd probably pick their new babies. You are delusional if you think two separate but equal lines of Marvel toys will survive alongside each other. One will eventually win. The whole thing will create two sides on message boards with people firmly entrenched in opposing camps representing the size of plastic and confused children whose parents accidentally buy them the wrong spider-man who is too small to fight the movie line doctor octopus from a few years back. Do I like it? No, I would prefer the 6" to go on. But I understand why. If 6" is done, I'm done. I'll probably move to statues or something, maybe nothing. For those that want these smaller ones, enjoy them. We can't say 6" ML didn't have a good run. nicely said! and i too prefer the 6" marvel legends im gonna speak with my wallet and not buy the 3 3/4" line i hope the 6" line wins!!!!!!!! i'm waging war on 3 3/4" line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hulk:
I'll be right there with you budy!! nicely said!and i too prefer the 6" marvel legends im gonna speak with my wallet and not buy the 3 3/4" line i hope the 6" line wins!!!!!!!! i'm waging war on 3 3/4" line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hulk: Me thick? Geez you guys still don't get it. Ever since the rumors of the 3.75 inch line you guys have made up this conspiracy theory. Even G.I. Joe has new 12 inch figures out. Oh wait that means they will replace the 3.75 inch ones with these! Go ahead don't buy the 3 3/4 inch line. All that matters for the 6 inch line is if those sales are good. They aren't competing with each other. If at all they are competing with Mattel's DC lines. The Showdown line did not fail. Toybiz failed to keep the license. Those were selling like hotcakes when they were out. Therefore Hasbro wants to make more 3 3/4 inch figures. Besides movie toys notoriously do badly. I think my Walmart still has Spider-Man movie toys in the clearance aisle.
The showdown line did fail. They were canned way before toybiz lost the license. Selling like hot cakes? They couldn't even give them away here.
nicely said!and i too prefer the 6" marvel legends im gonna speak with my wallet and not buy the 3 3/4" line i hope the 6" line wins!!!!!!!! i'm waging war on 3 3/4" line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hulk: Me thick? Geez you guys still don't get it. Ever since the rumors of the 3.75 inch line you guys have made up this conspiracy theory. Even G.I. Joe has new 12 inch figures out. Oh wait that means they will replace the 3.75 inch ones with these! Go ahead don't buy the 3 3/4 inch line. All that matters for the 6 inch line is if those sales are good. They aren't competing with each other. If at all they are competing with Mattel's DC lines. The Showdown line did not fail. Toybiz failed to keep the license. Those were selling like hotcakes when they were out. Therefore Hasbro wants to make more 3 3/4 inch figures. Besides movie toys notoriously do badly. I think my Walmart still has Spider-Man movie toys in the clearance aisle.
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