On 6/24/2025 at 1:46 PM, AndyL said:Yeah I'm a stickler for size comparison and I know the sizes of both characters have varied all over the place over the years. And all the databases are constantly changing. I used to use it quite a bit because I used to draw character sheets and do posters and all that stuff when I was much much younger. I use them less and less because they have started changing everything to match the MCU I think. Specifically I remember Daredevil who is one of my favorite characters was listed at 6'2" and 220 lbs at one time to show that he was a taller more muscular guy than say Spider-Man who was around 5'9" and 150 lbs. And also to have that muscular yet lean physique as compared to the bigger bulkier Captain America who was around 6'4" and 250. And great artists like Sal Buscema and Jr, Sr drew them with a noticeable size differences in characters like that. But now Peter and Matt are virtually identical in size and Cap has been nerfed down to Daredevil's original size. To the T. Even Sam Wilson who was at one time 6'4" has been shrunken to 6'2". But somehow his weight stayed the same. There was a time when Hulk was listed at 9'5' in his savage form and most consistently at least at 9'0" in his most common form. But now I think he's been changed to match his MCU incarnation. Which I'll just leave my opinion on what they've done to poor Hulk in the MCU as of late right here at the door as to not cause a riot. But my fondest and most lasting memory is the encounter between Hulk and Juggernaut in a story in the original The Incredible Hulk comic run before they started constantly doing limited runs and reboots to hide how terrible comics are and how badly they're selling these days and it was drawn by the great Gary Frank where they were both these massive giants and virtually the same size. I think Juggs edged him out maybe by a little bit but not much. And Gary Frank is one of those artists who had great attention for detail. They had rarely crossed paths until then even though it made perfect sense that they should have. I guess they figured Hulk had plenty of other villains to deal with. That's about where I want my display to be. For the most part I think Hasbro gets most of the heavy hitters right as far as size comparisons. Their biggest failures to this point I think would be Abomination, which I think and hope they are about to fix, and Sasquatch who should be taller and large than they Hulk. At one time he was listed at 10' tall while Hulk was 9'. Not a big difference but it should be reflected correctly in the figures but the figure is roughly the same height as Hulk and much slimmer. I just keep them far apart in my display. At least until they correct it. If they correct it. Because the Sasquatch figure is otherwise actually really good. It just needed to be upscaled a bit.Actually I don't think Sasquatch's height has been retconned to this point but they haven't done a cinematic version yet so there's no reason for them to change his size to match anything yet.
Yes I did play all three and they were great. I wished they'd do something similar on the modern platforms. Though I doubt I'd have much time to spend on them anyway. I thought the designs and models for them in that game were great if not perfect and I may be getting them mixed up because its been a loooo-oooong time since I played it but Jugs and Hulk were more or less interchangeable in the game weren't they? I almost seem to remember an in game joke where during they dialogue parts someone actually said "You can take Hulk. We'll take Juggernaut. He's more stable anyway." I may be mis-remembering but it stands out pretty vividly in my mind. Who knows it might have been a completely different game. But yes those were great looking renderings and they were basically the same size. Perfectly scaled IMO.
I get what you're saying. Also made difficult when certain characters share/reuse the same body mold. A good example is the Gamerverse symbiote spidey who seems out of scale with the advanced suit spidey and they are supposed to be the the same iteration of the character.
And yeah, not a fan of the treatment of Hulk in the MCU used as a punching bag for jokes either.
Hulk and Juggs would be a matchup you'd expect given the characters respective strength and size. So again I understand why folks would want them to be a bit more even.
And not sure if that was Ultimate Alliance? Maybe Marvel Heroes? Which has been resurrected by the way! Been a while since I played either. But I always liked Marvel Heroes too.
Important thing about sizing in comic books is how Bad guys are always depicted bigger than the good guys, it's almost like unwritten rule that reflects subconscious David vs. Goliath idea audiences have, so it makes sense that when Hulk is the good guy he usually smaller than the Abomination or Juggernaut, yet when Superheroes are fighting wild evil Hulk he's always gigantic.
From what I've gathered I'd say the stats shake out more like this, Juggernaut 6' 10", Hulk between 6' 6" and 8' depending on his "form". Yes, I've seen the Marvel.com stats that show Juggernaut at over 9 feet, but most sources I've found, outside of that one, show him between the upper end of 6' and 8'. Again looking at this breakdown the two are very close in height, and so that's why I'd prefer to have them be closer in height in figure form. Hence, my opinion of this Juggernaut being too big.
On 6/23/2025 at 6:17 PM, tarot said:Guys. he is not a comic figure. he is a gamerverse figure. In fact in the game he is much larger then even the hulk
And yes, I'm aware this is based on the game's version, as I'm sure most are. But possibly more to the point, when you're deciding if this better sculpted, better articulated version will work as a comic version, the answer is unfortunately no. Which is why I felt he was too big. The game version always seemed comically large even in the context of the game itself.
AndyL -
2025-06-24 @ 5:46 pm
On 6/24/2025 at 8:41 AM, LoneWolfSones said:Hulk is listed as 7'6"
Juggernaut is listed as 9'5"So it wouldn't be that "Inaccurate" if he did stand taller than your Hulk. I understand, though, if it's a matter of personal preference. Juggernaut also stands a bit taller than Hulk in MvC.
Heck, he's even taller than Thanos. You could probably put him in a slightly hunched pose to offset the height if you wanted?Both their heights have varied over the years. I expect this may be another Maximum Hulk situation? If you already have the 2-pack Juggernaut? Do you need this one? Probably not? I mean that Juggernaut is still a nice figure. I'd be interested in a new Colossus as I missed that 2-pack and don't have either. I thought about the Select Colossus. But I think I would rather wait and see if he gets a gameverse Juggernaut-style refresh.
Yeah I'm a stickler for size comparison and I know the sizes of both characters have varied all over the place over the years. And all the databases are constantly changing. I used to use it quite a bit because I used to draw character sheets and do posters and all that stuff when I was much much younger. I use them less and less because they have started changing everything to match the MCU I think. Specifically I remember Daredevil who is one of my favorite characters was listed at 6'2" and 220 lbs at one time to show that he was a taller more muscular guy than say Spider-Man who was around 5'9" and 150 lbs. And also to have that muscular yet lean physique as compared to the bigger bulkier Captain America who was around 6'4" and 250. And great artists like Sal Buscema and Jr, Sr drew them with a noticeable size differences in characters like that. But now Peter and Matt are virtually identical in size and Cap has been nerfed down to Daredevil's original size. To the T. Even Sam Wilson who was at one time 6'4" has been shrunken to 6'2". But somehow his weight stayed the same. There was a time when Hulk was listed at 9'5' in his savage form and most consistently at least at 9'0" in his most common form. But now I think he's been changed to match his MCU incarnation. Which I'll just leave my opinion on what they've done to poor Hulk in the MCU as of late right here at the door as to not cause a riot. But my fondest and most lasting memory is the encounter between Hulk and Juggernaut in a story in the original The Incredible Hulk comic run before they started constantly doing limited runs and reboots to hide how terrible comics are and how badly they're selling these days and it was drawn by the great Gary Frank where they were both these massive giants and virtually the same size. I think Juggs edged him out maybe by a little bit but not much. And Gary Frank is one of those artists who had great attention for detail. They had rarely crossed paths until then even though it made perfect sense that they should have. I guess they figured Hulk had plenty of other villains to deal with. That's about where I want my display to be. For the most part I think Hasbro gets most of the heavy hitters right as far as size comparisons. Their biggest failures to this point I think would be Abomination, which I think and hope they are about to fix, and Sasquatch who should be taller and large than than Hulk. At one time he was listed at 10' tall while Hulk was 9'. Not a big difference but it should be reflected correctly in the figures but the figure is roughly the same height as Hulk and much slimmer. I just keep them far apart in my display. At least until they correct it. If they correct it. Because the Sasquatch figure is otherwise actually really good. It just needed to be upscaled a bit.Actually I don't think Sasquatch's height has been retconned to this point but they haven't done a cinematic version yet so there's no reason for them to change his size to match anything yet.
On 6/24/2025 at 8:45 AM, LoneWolfSones said:Did you ever play Ultimate Alliance 3? I liked a lot of those character designs. The gameplay wasn't as good as UA1 or 2. But I thought the game had a nice style/look to the characters.
Yes I did play all three and they were great. I wished they'd do something similar on the modern platforms. Though I doubt I'd have much time to spend on them anyway. I thought the designs and models for them in that game were great if not perfect and I may be getting them mixed up because its been a loooo-oooong time since I played it but Jugs and Hulk were more or less interchangeable in the game weren't they? I almost seem to remember an in game joke where during the dialogue parts someone actually said "You can take Hulk. We'll take Juggernaut. He's more stable anyway." I may be mis-remembering but it stands out pretty vividly in my mind. Who knows it might have been a completely different game. But yes those were great looking renderings and they were basically the same size. Perfectly scaled IMO.
On 6/24/2025 at 9:48 AM, AndyL said:Yeah the fact that they can't figure out a way to integrate all the things GI Joe Classified are doing in ML is crazy. I know they are two completely separate lines and there is no "sharing" between the two to prevent leaks or whatever silly excuse they use but you have to think there's some interaction in the engineering department or something. Virtually every character in GIJC has a ball joint. And I know the differences on when it can or can't be used. Literally all Joes wear pants so yes that belt line masks the ball joint pretty well and I know the majority of ML wear skin tight suits so they don't use the ball joint to maintain the traditional look of the character. Which I do appreciate because some of the time when ML does use it it's pretty shoddy as in with the Classic Wasp figure and the X-Men '97 Jean Grey. But things like drop hip pins and calf swivel should just be automatic. Even if there's not a proper boot cut sculpted onto the figure pretty much every character wears some form of boot. Just put a standard cut in it and paint up to the line or cast it in different plastic. And there's always the typical argument of Hasbro owning GI Joe versus leasing Marvel. Believe me I know and I've heard it used as an excuse a thousand times. I see the problem of added cost if they were developing some new technology or technique but all the R&D for these things are already there. Just integrate it. It's crazy. I'm not all in on Joe like I am ML but when I do buy one of those characters I just marvel on how much quality and accessories they put into them. And yes the pun is intended. They even make removable magazines and silencers on their weapons. To me it's just a crazy thought for them to spend all the money to win and retain the Marvel license and then spend the entire lifetime of the contract cutting corners and short changing the product to try to recover costs. I mean the money for the license is already spent. Why not do the best you can with the product to make it a good as possible and sell as many as you can while you have it?
The licensing, I feel, determines how much "stuff" you get with Joe's vs. Legends. Whether it's the accessories or what articulation a figure gets. I get what you are saying, that it's crazy that Joe's kind of gets the whole 9 yards, whereas Legends generally feel like for everything you gain? It's like you lose something else in exchange. If you get an improved waist or drop down, you then don't get a butterfly. Or if you get pinless double elbows, you get pinned double-jointed legs. We saw it with the Gameverse Symbiote Spider-Man. He was released after Maximum Spider-Man, which had everything...but then the Symbiote one has no butterfly.Like you, I don't have many Joe's. I mostly use them for custom fodder. (courtesy of Ollies). But I did pick up Cover Girl (to display with Indy). And when I saw Budo? I kind of had too order him.
Look at this guy. At $35 he is loaded and has more 'stuff' than you get with most "deluxe" Legends. I feel this is mostly explained by licensing. But you are right with regards to articulation? The Legends team themselves have used better articulation in other figures. They just seem to be selective in what figures get it. Even if it were a matter of licensing or whatever, you have to think it wouldn't cost them that much to incorporate something they've already used in other figures.To go back to licensing? I think it's more evident when you see what Black Series gets versus even Legends. You are lucky to even get a blaster. I remember reading an article that suggested the Star Wars toy license was one of the most expensive in terms of guarantees and royalties.
AndyL -
2025-06-24 @ 1:48 pm
On 6/23/2025 at 10:16 PM, SUPREME007 said:Im having some belief perserverance rn, like IK they did not include a reverse crunch but damn man this makes it look as so especially with the way it curves up, it was giving me fits just looking at it. And the day Hasbro will figure out ball joint would be a bad, bad time for my money, like they don't have to reinvent the wheel, they have done so successfully with the Spider-Man India, electro (NWH), and even shown to do so with the torso ball in some others like in ROM and some spidermans. Then they can finally share their technique with the GI Joe and their minimal ball joint range.
Yeah the fact that they can't figure out a way to integrate all the things GI Joe Classified are doing in ML is crazy. I know they are two completely separate lines and there is no "sharing" between the two to prevent leaks or whatever silly excuse they use but you have to think there's some interaction in the engineering department or something. Virtually every character in GIJC has a ball joint. And I know the differences on when it can or can't be used. Literally all Joes wear pants so yes that belt line masks the ball joint pretty well and I know the majority of ML wear skin tight suits so they don't use the ball joint to maintain the traditional look of the character. Which I do appreciate because some of the time when ML does use it it's pretty shoddy as in with the Classic Wasp figure and the X-Men '97 Jean Grey. But things like drop hip pins and calf swivel should just be automatic. Even if there's not a proper boot cut sculpted onto the figure pretty much every character wears some form of boot. Just put a standard cut in it and paint up to the line or cast it in different plastic. And there's always the typical argument of Hasbro owning GI Joe versus leasing Marvel. Believe me I know and I've heard it used as an excuse a thousand times. I see the problem of added cost if they were developing some new technology or technique but all the R&D for these things are already there. Just integrate it. It's crazy. I'm not all in on Joe like I am ML but when I do buy one of those characters I just marvel on how much quality and accessories they put into them. And yes the pun is intended. They even make removable magazines and silencers on their weapons. To me it's just a crazy thought for them to spend all the money to win and retain the Marvel license and then spend the entire lifetime of the contract cutting corners and short changing the product to try to recover costs. I mean the money for the license is already spent. Why not do the best you can with the product to make it a good as possible and sell as many as you can while you have it?
On 6/23/2025 at 3:29 AM, Atlantis said:Been saying this for years and what amazes me, as much as hasbo is leaving $ on the table by not using more of Marvel's plethora of characters, is how many collectors just go along with like a bunch of yes men. I certainly don't expect them to STOP doing Spider-Man, the X-Men, Avengers, Iron Man, but there's no reason not to pepper in some other characters. Warriors Three, Red Wolf, Frightful Four, Wrecking Crew, Killraven, Valkyrie. At least finish out these teams like the Inhumans, Guardians of the Galaxy, the Starjammers, Alpha Flight. And its not like these wouldn't sell- Crystar, first appearance Star Lord, Titania (even though they mucked up her outfit) and ROM....ROM has to be one of the BEST figures they've done since they took over the line.
It just seems if the management is listening to everyone BUT the collectors....the actual consumers who BUY their stuff.
Or....they put the characters people want to finish those teams...behind an SDCC exclusive. Like the Savage Land 3 pack. As you said, Spider-Man, X-Men, etc., are kind of their bread and butter because they are almost always guaranteed to sell well. I think that in the rare event that we do see a more niche/obscure character, it's because someone on the Legends team genuinely cares about that character. With Hasbro, I think a lot of the problem stems from its management (as you noted). I would point to the success of Baldur's Gate 3, after which they got rid of the people who worked on it with Larian. DnD as a whole has been mismanaged. How did they not have figures after the game's success? Instead, they gave the license to WizKids to create garish miniatures that were refunded.You never really know what characters will be huge, either. Power Princess/Squadron Supreme are pretty obscure/niche. Yet, Power Princess ended up becoming highly desirable. (I think in large part due to many viewing it as a better Wonder Woman than what McFarlane offered.) Not sure if you watch Bobby Valla, who does videos about Vallaverse, etc. He recently talked about his time at Hasbro. He noted a conversation where someone (I think another designer) said how he didn't think people would be excited about Kingpin because he was just a fat guy in a suit. But when Bobby revealed his Kingpin, the crowd was excited. He's not just a fat guy in a suit. He is THE fat guy in a suit. Kind of anecdotal, but it kind of shows how some people don't think certain characters are popular or desirable. We see it in video games, too, where companies convince themselves that certain games are no longer popular and they try to give a franchise mass appeal to find lower sales.
On 6/23/2025 at 9:30 AM, raziel0203 said:Wow! I've got to say, this Juggernaut does look impressive. However, at the risk of sounding like I'm jumping on the bandwagon, I think I'm with the majority in thinking that it's too big. I've always liked my 2-pack Juggernaut, and with the anticipated price point here, I may just have to pass. Very tempting though...
On 6/23/2025 at 9:12 AM, AndyL said:Yeah that kind of seals it. Too big. I appreciate how much plastic and effort they put in this thing but I don't need my Juggernaut towering over my Hulk figure. Why couldn't they do this with Sasquatch? Whatever. Not for me. Happy hunting for everyone else. You got one less person to compete with for this.
I think that the question of size is fair. I thought Gargantos might be too big, but it can probably be posed to take less. I think if you are looking at Juggernaut to go with your existing collection? I can see the scale concern. I think he's scaled more to the game where he was massive. A bit like that Gamerverse Venom, which is great. His size limits how you can display him, as he really only displays with the other Gamerverse Spidey game figures. Although I will say to your point, Andy? If you check Marvel Unlimited? It has stats for various characters.
Hulk is listed as 7'6"
Juggernaut is listed as 9'5"So it wouldn't be that "Inaccurate" if he did stand taller than your Hulk. I understand, though, if it's a matter of personal preference. Juggernaut also stands a bit taller than Hulk in MvC.
Heck, he's even taller than Thanos. You could probably put him in a slightly hunched pose to offset the height if you wanted?Both their heights have varied over the years. I expect this may be another Maximum Hulk situation? If you already have the 2-pack Juggernaut? Do you need this one? Probably not? I mean that Juggernaut is still a nice figure. I'd be interested in a new Colossus as I missed that 2-pack and don't have either. I thought about the Select Colossus. But I think I would rather wait and see if he gets a gameverse Juggernaut-style refresh.
On 6/24/2025 at 9:30 AM, AndyL said:Yes, I loved the game. Actually I plan to order it when it comes back up on Amazon. But I never really liked the dimensions in the game. Juggy's fists are almost the size of Hulk's entire body. This figure is accurate to the game so good for Hasbro making it right. If they could only get everything so accurate. Again I'm a comics aficionado so I like the perspective of Hulk and Juggs matching up pretty even in size. Now what has potential is if they can convert this model to serve as the base for the new rumored Abomination or maybe even an improvement on Sasquatch in the future. I mean Contest of Champions is still a wildly popular game I think. No where near Snap or Rivals but it's been around for a while and a lot of those characters still have great designs pretty true to the source materials. They could use it as an avenue to improve on several characters using newer body models and even characters not done yet. Could you imagine them doing a 2 pack with Punisher 2099 and a new improved Sasquatch using this model? I'd pay $90 easily just for that set.
Seeing this post, you can ignore my previous response. I get where you are coming from as a comic fan.I get it because I am someone that doesn't really like the proportions of Hulk in Marvel Rivals.
Did you ever play Ultimate Alliance 3? I liked a lot of those character designs. The gameplay wasn't as good as UA1 or 2. But I thought the game had a nice style/look to the characters.
AndyL -
2025-06-24 @ 1:30 pm
On 6/23/2025 at 5:17 PM, tarot said:Guys. he is not a comic figure. he is a gamerverse figure. In fact in the game he is much larger then even the hulk
Yes, I loved the game. Actually I plan to order it when it comes back up on Amazon. But I never really liked the dimensions in the game. Juggy's fists are almost the size of Hulk's entire body. This figure is accurate to the game so good for Hasbro making it right. If they could only get everything so accurate. Again I'm a comics aficionado so I like the perspective of Hulk and Juggs matching up pretty even in size. Now what has potential is if they can convert this model to serve as the base for the new rumored Abomination or maybe even an improvement on Sasquatch in the future. I mean Contest of Champions is still a wildly popular game I think. No where near Snap or Rivals but it's been around for a while and a lot of those characters still have great designs pretty true to the source materials. They could use it as an avenue to improve on several characters using newer body models and even characters not done yet. Could you imagine them doing a 2 pack with Punisher 2099 and a new improved Sasquatch using this model? I'd pay $90 easily just for that set.
On 6/23/2025 at 6:17 PM, tarot said:Guys. he is not a comic figure. he is a gamerverse figure. In fact in the game he is much larger then even the hulk
he's more maximum than the max Hulk LOL
On 6/23/2025 at 9:36 PM, Psychosomatic said:Overall a very nice upgrade, but didn't hit all the marks.Those shoulder joints really throw off the aesthetic for me. Happy to say I will be able to pass on this one and save a little money.
you think your mind will be changed if you see vid reviews of him once he's released?
On 6/23/2025 at 8:39 AM, toynewman said:Shown below via Dan Yun is an in-hand look at the new Marvel Legends Series Gamerverse Juggernaut Figure from Hasbro. You can purchase this figure on Thursday, June 26 at 1pm EDT at places like our sponsors BigBadToyStore.com and Entertainment Earth as well Amazon.
wow- I think overall he's an upgrade from the BAF we had from years past. I will be excited for the release. But the arms do remind me of the older Toybiz one.
On 6/23/2025 at 10:32 PM, SpiderS said:More I look at his pics more it seems like the sculpt originally intended to have a reverse ab crunch, I cannot explain why else they would sculpt his abs this way.
Probably they realized that it would be cheaper to give this figure better ball joint torso range, which (maybe) means they are finally starting to figure out how properly implement ball joints.
Im having some belief perserverance rn, like IK they did not include a reverse crunch but damn man this makes it look as so especially with the way it curves up, it was giving me fits just looking at it. And the day Hasbro will figure out ball joint would be a bad, bad time for my money, like they don't have to reinvent the wheel, they have done so successfully with the Spider-Man India, electro (NWH), and even shown to do so with the torso ball in some others like in ROM and some spidermans. Then they can finally share their technique with the GI Joe and their minimal ball joint range.
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