Winter Hulk Is Coming

Winter Hulk Is Coming


Jay Cochran - June 23, 2021
WORLD WAR SHE-HULK, the upcoming arc in Jason Aaron and Javier Garrón’s action-packed run on AVENGERS will continue into September with AVENGERS #48! This explosive new arc will see She-Hulk facing off against Red Guardian and the Russian Winter Guard, who are tasked with bringing Jen to justice. After being taken prisoner and sent to the notorious assassin-training academy known as the Red Room, She-Hulk will be transformed into something terrifying and the Winter Hulk will be unleashed upon the world. Who will dare to try to stop her? Find out in this exciting new chapter in the saga of She-Hulk when AVENGERS #48 hits stands on September 1st!

AVENGERS #48
Written by JASON AARON
Art and Cover by JAVIER GARRÓN
On Sale 9/1!
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ADour - 2021-06-25 @ 12:02 am
On 6/24/2021 at 8:14 PM, Fyrefly21 said:

I've read every issue of the book so far and I'm still pulling it like a chump. The thing thats so frustrating about the book is that not everything sucks; if it did, it'd be easy to write off like Bendis GotG.

The run has had some neat ideas. The flashbacks to the prehistoric "Avengers" team are fun. The Vampire war and Age of Khonshu was a neat concept, Heroes Reborn is distanced from mainline Marvel in a cool way as a one-off arc. But even when he's pitching great ideas, his awful character writing, garbage continuity, and poor execution leave it middling at best. And his She-Hulk has been the weakest element of the book by a longshot- so while I can't speak to this story itself until September when I end up reading it, my expectations are extremely low.

My consensus is that, I assume contrary to Aaron's intent, the filler bridge issues are more interesting than his main story arcs. Aaron should have made the main focus of his run the geo-political intrigue he keeps in the background. That is the strongest concept in his entire run and it's a pity that until now, the Winter Guard and the Squadron Supreme mostly only appear in the in-between arcs issues to remind us that they exist. This next arc sounds dumb but at least it's putting the Winter Guard plot in the foreground... 40+ issues into his run. Geez.

nWoWolfpack - 2021-06-24 @ 11:43 pm
On 6/24/2021 at 6:14 PM, Fyrefly21 said:

I've read every issue of the book so far and I'm still pulling it like a chump. The thing thats so frustrating about the book is that not everything sucks; if it did, it'd be easy to write off like Bendis GotG.

The run has had some neat ideas. The flashbacks to the prehistoric "Avengers" team are fun. The Vampire war and Age of Khonshu was a neat concept, Heroes Reborn is distanced from mainline Marvel in a cool way as a one-off arc. But even when he's pitching great ideas, his awful character writing, garbage continuity, and poor execution leave it middling at best. And his She-Hulk has been the weakest element of the book by a longshot- so while I can't speak to this story itself until September when I end up reading it, my expectations are extremely low.

I loved the Vampire War arc which I feel is the strongest arc, but I dropped it at the Phoenix tournament, only picked up the King in Black tie-in. His characterization of Thor is another weak point with every issue him getting his ass beat and being weak; meanwhile Cates has him do something great

Fyrefly21 - 2021-06-24 @ 11:14 pm
6 hours ago, JayC said:

Im not defending that this is a good story cause I havent read any of it, but I am just curious if you all have, or just making an assumption its going to suck?

I've read every issue of the book so far and I'm still pulling it like a chump. The thing thats so frustrating about the book is that not everything sucks; if it did, it'd be easy to write off like Bendis GotG.

The run has had some neat ideas. The flashbacks to the prehistoric "Avengers" team are fun. The Vampire war and Age of Khonshu was a neat concept, Heroes Reborn is distanced from mainline Marvel in a cool way as a one-off arc. But even when he's pitching great ideas, his awful character writing, garbage continuity, and poor execution leave it middling at best. And his She-Hulk has been the weakest element of the book by a longshot- so while I can't speak to this story itself until September when I end up reading it, my expectations are extremely low.

McHogan - 2021-06-24 @ 10:22 pm
5 hours ago, JayC said:

Im not defending that this is a good story cause I havent read any of it, but I am just curious if you all have, or just making an assumption its going to suck?

Making an assumption to be completely honest. But my assumption is based on what info they have given me. There is that whole you cant judge a book by its cover adage but by looking at this cover I can fathom no direction this will go that it would be good.

I mean, people make purchase decisions based on how something looks and reading the adverts trying to sell this to me. Neither the synopsis nor the art appeal to me, in fact it makes me not want to buy the book.

mako - 2021-06-24 @ 6:28 pm
1 hour ago, nWoWolfpack said:

Making an assumption, because the run has been mediocre at best

Playing the averages is always a safe bet.

ADour - 2021-06-24 @ 5:41 pm
18 minutes ago, nWoWolfpack said:

I find it hilarious that they take jabs at his work, but continues to write dumb stuff, like his Kree BC which was totally left out of Empyre. The way he left Thor, was undone by Cates with his temp upgrade with power cosmic. His idea for AvX II is completely skipped over Hickman and the X-Office, as well as other Marvel writers, like theyre doing diplomacy between Krakoa and cosmic empires, the Avengers, Eternals, Symbiotesetc there might be some conflict building with the Illuminati being back and kicking out Charles and Beast. Also Wanda being a mutant again possibly. Aaron just writes nonsense with his Avengers book that gets crapped on by other writes at Marvel and Marvel itself; for example this past week with Thors family, they said Gaea is his real mom in the video posted by Marvel, which totally skipped over the entire Phoenix tournament revelation of the Phoenix being Thors mom which was written by Aaron in the Avengers book, but they used recent photos from his Avengers run. The Avengers run is just bad, theres so many better writers that they can to write the Avengers; for example, Ewing with a co-writer, because hes writing like 5 books at once, or Zub, Orlando, McKay, there needs to be at least 3 Avengers books, because there are so many Avengers in limbo and other characters that would be interesting on the Avengers.

I think I've shared it here before, but my dream Avengers creative line-up would be the No Surrender / No Road Home team working as a think tank with each of Ewing, Zub and Waid (although since Waid isn't doing Marvel at the moment I would replace him with MacKay) writing their own title with the a level of interconectivity like you see in the Dawn of X titles.

This would allow for occasional or stealth crossovers (like Bendis used to do with New and Mighty Avengers, where you could see the New Avengers reacting to the Ultron attack in Mighty or becoming infected with symbiotes as collateral damage to the Venom Bomb arc), and would also allow for characters to guest-star in other titles or even just appear as background characters. To this end, the book's main setting would be a massive Avengers headquarters which would act as an "overworld" similar to Krakoa for the mutants.

In terms of scope, the series could harken back to the way Hickman properly conveyed the Avengers like a worldwide defense system with a big presence. There would be a massive branching line-up similar to Hickman, but with three main "stems" for each Avengers team. The main team would be your standard powerhouse apocalypse-averting team. another team could do more domestic heroing like Ewing's Mighty Avengers, and the final team would be a Secret Avengers team. Maybe to reinforce this sense of legacy, each of the Big Three could be the leader of each team, with Thor for the powerhouse main team, Captain America for the domestic team and Iron Man for the Secret Avengers team (I just love me some Stealth Armor, and it would be interesting to see Tony in a more scheming position to steer away from the MCU's influence turning him into ashock-and-awe fighter).

nWoWolfpack - 2021-06-24 @ 4:37 pm
8 minutes ago, JayC said:

Im not defending that this is a good story cause I havent read any of it, but I am just curious if you all have, or just making an assumption its going to suck?

Making an assumption, because the run has been mediocre at best

nWoWolfpack - 2021-06-24 @ 4:37 pm
13 hours ago, ADour said:

lmaoAaron is not a good case in point. Even internally other Marvel writers take jabs at his work.

I find it hilarious that they take jabs at his work, but continues to write dumb stuff, like his Kree BC which was totally left out of Empyre. The way he left Thor, was undone by Cates with his temp upgrade with power cosmic. His idea for AvX II is completely skipped over Hickman and the X-Office, as well as other Marvel writers, like theyre doing diplomacy between Krakoa and cosmic empires, the Avengers, Eternals, Symbiotesetc there might be some conflict building with the Illuminati being back and kicking out Charles and Beast. Also Wanda being a mutant again possibly. Aaron just writes nonsense with his Avengers book that gets crapped on by other writes at Marvel and Marvel itself; for example this past week with Thors family, they said Gaea is his real mom in the video posted by Marvel, which totally skipped over the entire Phoenix tournament revelation of the Phoenix being Thors mom which was written by Aaron in the Avengers book, but they used recent photos from his Avengers run. The Avengers run is just bad, theres so many better writers that they can to write the Avengers; for example, Ewing with a co-writer, because hes writing like 5 books at once, or Zub, Orlando, McKay, there needs to be at least 3 Avengers books, because there are so many Avengers in limbo and other characters that would be interesting on the Avengers.

JayC - 2021-06-24 @ 4:27 pm

Im not defending that this is a good story cause I havent read any of it, but I am just curious if you all have, or just making an assumption its going to suck?

ADour - 2021-06-24 @ 3:20 am
9 hours ago, McHogan said:

Before someone jumps on here and asks why we all complain about todays comics and say we are $#!%ing on them may I present in our defense:

lmaoAaron is not a good case in point. Even internally other Marvel writers take jabs at his work.

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