Daredevil #8 Marks 60 Fearless Years Of Daredevil

On 3/26/2024 at 3:29 PM, AndyL said:

Well I can't control what anyone else deep reads into things I say.

Is it a deep reading though? If you're implying that what Daredevil has gone through for the last +10 years would drive former creators away, you're not really alluding to

Contrary to popular belief, people hold the power to control how others interpret the things they say... Because they're the ones saying it. Communication is a conscious effort, and written communication even moreso lol

And with great power...

On 3/25/2024 at 6:19 PM, ADour said:

If you weren't implying the last +10 years of Daredevil weren't beyond appalling and damaging you wouldn't have suggested that some of his classic creators would've "bowed out after seeing what's been done to the character." It doesn't feel like you're alluding to just "some of the things." As if anything else would cause something like that. I think the plausible deniability of "I didn't say those exact words verbatim" is better suited for a court (heh, speaking of Daredevil...)

Well I can't control what anyone else deep reads into things I say. Last time I fought that fight it ended up in a divorce but that was a good thing. But in the end it's nothing worth arguing about. Everyone has their own personal take. I try not to mince words and I've made no secret that I think Marvel has gone way off the traditional path with all their characters. I believe comics in general stopped being entertainment a long time ago and has become nothing more than an extension of what we already see on a daily basis. Who needs that? I can turn on the news any time I want. Some people like it and maybe that's just the natural evolution of comics. Maybe I'm just too old school but I maintain I like my hero's beating up bad guys and doing fantastic cool stuff. Some like them sitting around a coffee shop editorializing and philosophizing or throwing giant dress up dinner parties.Different tastes for different folks. But if I want a tween novel I know where to find it. Sure the occasional tryst out is a nice break from the norm. One of my fave classic stories was when the X-Ladies went out for a ladies night out and they all got dressed up and Marc Sylvestri got to draw them all dolled up. Eventually they ended up in a fight in a mall and then we got Jubiliee. It all worked out great in the end. Now days not so much. Your knowledge of the current Marvel and history is extensive and impressive. I have great knowledge and memories of classic Marvel but admittedly most of what's gone one in the past 20 or so years is lost to me. I'm not what some people might call a Hater but I sure don't believe in supporting something I don't enjoy just for the support of an industry. I basically tune in when there's a reboot and or a new series or when something looks cool or promising and I read for a while until it goes South and then I bow out. When I read a DD comic and there's zero kicks or punches through multiple issues it's not the entertainment I'm looking for. I do my part by giving everything a shot regardless of what I've heard good or bad. I stopped putting any faith in the bought and paid for critics long ago. I even gave the new Punisher a chance. I really did dig his new look but that's about where it ended. I would still buy an action figure done of him though. Like I said maybe I'm just and Old Head. But that's okay. I have fond memories of what comics and characters used to be. Especially DD. He was such an indomitable BA at one time. But those days are far gone now. If you want to say the comics world has passed me by then that's fair and I might even agree. Maybe I'm just that older gal whose constantly talking about how good things used to be. Cool I'll own it but I'm far from that Crazy Old Cat Lady who screams at kids to get off her lawn and passes out butterscotch and $5 McDonald's cards for birthdays and Christmas.

On 3/25/2024 at 4:53 PM, AndyL said:

Wow. Looking back at my own notes I don't believe I ever called any of it horrible. Just felt some of the things they've done to this character in absence of actually writing cool adventures is a shame. I still maintain I'd rather see a hero kick butt in a hero comic rather than reading a daytime soap opera drama in comic form. Just two different types of entertainment. One of them I'm not so fond of. The other one has its fans as well.

If you weren't implying the last +10 years of Daredevil weren't beyond appalling and damaging you wouldn't have suggested that some of his classic creators would've "bowed out after seeing what's been done to the character." It doesn't feel like you're alluding to just "some of the things." As if anything else would cause something like that. I think the plausible deniability of "I didn't say those exact words verbatim" is better suited for a court (heh, speaking of Daredevil...)

On 3/24/2024 at 5:30 PM, ADour said:

You mean horrible stufff like... [checks notes] Mark Waid's critically acclaimed run between 2011-2015? Wait, no, that can't be right... you have to be alluding to something like the incomprehensible monstrosity of... [checks notes] a just-as-praised run by Chip Zdarsky between 2019-2023?

I mean, lol, even Charles Soule's 2015-2018 run that is sandwiched between those two titans and wasn't as beloved is universally regarded as fine. Or did you say 15 years specifically so you could allude to Shadowland which happened in 2009-2010 as if that single story that's been mostly swept under the rug has enough weight to sully everything overwhelmingly positive that has come since 2011?

Wow. Looking back at my own notes I don't believe I ever called any of it horrible. Just felt some of the things they've done to this character in absence of actually writing cool adventures is a shame. I still maintain I'd rather see a hero kick butt in a hero comic rather than reading a daytime soap opera drama in comic form. Just two different types of entertainment. One of them I'm not so fond of. The other one has its fans as well.

So after years of getting smacked around by average street thugs he's back to fighting demons and taking out entire gangs and even pre-neutered Punisher shows up again. I hear in #7 he's back to being good enough to take on Wolverine again. Not that I'm not happy to hear it but where has this DD been for like the last 10 years? I guess all those years of soul-searching just didn't sell the books like they expected them to.

On 3/24/2024 at 11:11 AM, AndyL said:

I hear that. Though Marvel tries to act like they have the utmost respect for DD he is the perpetual Stepchild. There's always some other story or some other event that puts him at second fiddle. Right now amidst the so called reboot of X-Mania this just seems like an afterthought. Then again maybe some of those people you named may have bowed out after seeing what's been done to the character over the last 15 years or so.

I mean, Romita has been doing covers. And I don't think Mazzuchelli does comics anymore, so I don't feel that's the case. I think Marvel just didn't wanna pay for A-List artists.

On 3/24/2024 at 6:30 PM, ADour said:

You mean horrible stufff like... [checks notes] Mark Waid's critically acclaimed run between 2011-2015? Wait, no, that can't be right... you have to be alluding to something like the incomprehensible monstrosity of... [checks notes] a just-as-praised run by Chip Zdarsky between 2019-2023?

I mean, lol, even Charles Soule's 2015-2018 run that is sandwiched between those two titans and wasn't as beloved is universally regarded as fine. Or did you say 15 years specifically so you could allude to Shadowland which happened in 2009-2010 as if that single story that's been mostly swept under the rug has enough weight to sully everything overwhelmingly positive that has come since 2011?

Yeah, I mean, personally I didn't care for those runs, but I would not classify them as "horrible stuff" either.

I just feel Marvel didn't try this time...or even don't try when it comes to anniversary specials. "Should we hire [insert A-list artist here] to draw this anniversary special?"

"Nah, the Anniversary hoopla will sell the issue regardless of who's drawing it!"

On 3/24/2024 at 12:11 PM, AndyL said:

Then again maybe some of those people you named may have bowed out after seeing what's been done to the character over the last 15 years or so.

You mean horrible stufff like... [checks notes] Mark Waid's critically acclaimed run between 2011-2015? Wait, no, that can't be right... you have to be alluding to something like the incomprehensible monstrosity of... [checks notes] a just-as-praised run by Chip Zdarsky between 2019-2023?

I mean, lol, even Charles Soule's 2015-2018 run that is sandwiched between those two titans and wasn't as beloved is universally regarded as fine. Or did you say 15 years specifically so you could allude to Shadowland which happened in 2009-2010 as if that single story that's been mostly swept under the rug has enough weight to sully everything overwhelmingly positive that has come since 2011?

On 3/24/2024 at 9:45 AM, MeGrimlock78 said:

I expected more legendary artists in the tales. Romita Jr, Mazzuchelli, even Weeks or McDaniel. Kinda disappointing.

I hear that. Though Marvel tries to act like they have the utmost respect for DD he is the perpetual Stepchild. There's always some other story or some other event that puts him at second fiddle. Right now amidst the so called reboot of X-Mania this just seems like an afterthought. Then again maybe some of those people you named may have bowed out after seeing what's been done to the character over the last 15 years or so.

I expected more legendary artists in the tales. Romita Jr, Mazzuchelli, even Weeks or McDaniel. Kinda disappointing.