On 5/30/2023 at 3:22 AM, Atlantis said:Mockingbird's extra wide sleeves along with Pym's outfit, werent that hard to do. The pockets are a critical part of his powers; he stores a multitude of objects/weapons etc. that he can shrink or enlarge as needs be. Its a critical part of why his costume is the way it is. And when you factor in that they did it correctly for Spiral (she was virtually perfect), and add in that they detailed it for Egghead's shirt and lab coat, its just a degree of neglect we as collectors shouldn't dismiss.
it's two pockets on the thighs. let it go. Let people enjoy this figure.
But I agree with the Mockingbird, Hopefully when they get around to doing the full body suit they will have the flaired sleeves.
Mockingbird's extra wide sleeves along with Pym's outfit, werent that hard to do. The pockets are a critical part of his powers; he stores a multitude of objects/weapons etc. that he can shrink or enlarge as needs be. Its a critical part of why his costume is the way it is. And when you factor in that they did it correctly for Spiral (she was virtually perfect), and add in that they detailed it for Egghead's shirt and lab coat, its just a degree of neglect we as collectors shouldn't dismiss.
All Hank is missing is 2 pockets on his upper thighs. It's not that big of a deal as some are making it out to be.
This set gives us two more much requested West Coast Avengers and another shot at three others if you missed them or want updated versions (for better or worse).
Hasbro probably can never truly complete the Avengers (or XMen) since new members are constantly being added. But the WEST COAST AVENGERS only needs a few more characters to give us the complete team. They are:
The Thing. he'd need to be in his Black and red suit to represent his time with the WCA (like 4 or 5 issues haha)
Firebird. Or Espirita depending if you count her very short time as this incarnation
Moon Knight of course with the gold accessories
Jim Hammond Human Torch. Currently using the translucent Johnny Storm as a stand in. This guy would be so easy to do powered up or down
Living Lightning, again would need a powered up and down version
That's it. Shoot there's our next box set.
I don't count the Shroud, seems people always confuse him as an early member because of a pin up in the back of an Annual but his entire association as it were was listening to Hawkeye's recruitment pitch and deciding he was going to keep doing his own thing. Nor do I count the recent team led by Kate Bishop. Strictly classic WCA
In one form or another we've got Darkhawk, Machine Man, to fill out their ranks as well as the versions JayC posted at the top.
Here's to completing a classic Marvel Team
On 5/28/2023 at 5:50 PM, Atlantis said:Can't agree with the conclusion "we won't get another shot at" Pym or really, any of the figures; in this set alone they took another shot at Silver Centurion, Spider-Woman and Tigra. Hasbo did two Mojos almost back-to-back, two Longshots the same and that's in basically the same year. But even if they never re-did these, that's no excuse for turning in sub-par work. FOMO is just not a driving factor for me.
I like the idea of the box set, and with a little care, this could've been a great one. Here's an idea though, what if they did an accurate Mockingbird, a Red Wolf (with Lobo), Wonder Man (same outfit as WCA #1 but beefier build than the Abomination BAF) and Graviton instead?
I'd love the box set you propose. What makes you think Hasbro wouldn't cut corners with that one two haha.
OK Hasbro has been re-doing figures left and right so there is always a chance that Red Jumpsuit Pym gets remade. But outside of Avengers fans who would want him, Pyms suit getting remade is like Hasbro redoing Rock Python. Sure there is a chance, but not much of one..
I get everything you're saying, and it's valid. For me it's not FOMO at all, I truly like the set and am stoked to get it. And hey, if Pym or Mockingbird do get redos, then these go from the long list of figures that were the best we got until they made them better list alongside Retro Ant-Man, any Wolverine post Hit Monkey wave, Cap, Thor, Spider-Man ... you get the idea.
It's part of the risk/reward price we pay as collectors. Sometimes we get a huge whiff from Hasbro, sometimes they knock it out of the park, though usually it takes them a few trys to get us that definitive version. And if they never get around to redoing Pym and Mockingbird, then at least this set gave fans their only shot at them
On 5/27/2023 at 11:33 AM, McHogan said:"...these aren't perfect. But let's be real, we won't get another shot at Pym in this suit...But I like what this set brings as a huge WCA fan..."
Can't agree with the conclusion "we won't get another shot at" Pym or really, any of the figures; in this set alone they took another shot at Silver Centurion, Spider-Woman and Tigra. Hasbo did two Mojos almost back-to-back, two Longshots the same and that's in basically the same year. But even if they never re-did these, that's no excuse for turning in sub-par work. FOMO is just not a driving factor for me.
I like the idea of the box set, and with a little care, this could've been a great one. Here's an idea though, what if they did an accurate Mockingbird, a Red Wolf (with Lobo), Wonder Man (same outfit as WCA #1 but beefier build than the Abomination BAF) and Graviton instead?
On 5/27/2023 at 5:45 AM, Atlantis said:Thats just it, they didn't make the effort....Pym's jump suit is supposed to be loaded with pockets, where he stores his miniaturized items/weapons/gadgets. Its the entire function of the jumpsuit. This is like Batman's utility belt with just a yellow band and buckle. They got leg pockets for Spiral, so how did they miss it here.
Mockingbird is even worse. This is just egregious. Instead of the billowing sleeves she's supposed to have where she stores her battle staves, they gave her these limp, useless flaps. Its even more baffling since they've already done Lady Deathstrike! These were easily fixable blunders that showed poor effort. No, this is just not worth the money.
Well you're not wrong, these aren't perfect. But let's be real, we won't get another shot at Pym in this suit. Mockingbird maybe could show up on a Retro card as an apology/updated figure but we can't be 100% certain either. Truthfully, Mockingbird appears to be Hasbros "take " on couple of her classic looks.
But I like what this set brings as a huge WCA fan. I can recognize the shortcomings but the alternative is no version at all. This set is full of repaints as has become the norm for Amazon. But I'd probably buy this silver Centurion with the white same as did when they did the same repaint on War Machine. Spider-Woman is a nice update, Tigra is the one I actually feel is the biggest flop as I didn't mind her colors originally. And Hank and Mockingbird are pretty great to me even if I agree with a few of your points. Every set so far has had 2-3 figures that could have been done better and the same applies here. I bought the Wolverine set on the strength of shirtless Wolverine alone and sold the rest. (Not sure why I didn't just find him loose haha) and would have loved a Razorback but not for any of the other figures so I passed
The price isn't ideal but it isn't the worst by far. I pre-ordered a set and may even grab a second when the price drops like they all have.
On 5/25/2023 at 7:02 PM, McHogan said:"...Hasbro clearly has made the effort to give fans classic looks we've been waiting for...."
Thats just it, they didn't make the effort....Pym's jump suit is supposed to be loaded with pockets, where he stores his miniaturized items/weapons/gadgets. Its the entire function of the jumpsuit. This is like Batman's utility belt with just a yellow band and buckle. They got leg pockets for Spiral, so how did they miss it here.
Mockingbird is even worse. This is just egregious. Instead of the billowing sleeves she's supposed to have where she stores her battle staves, they gave her these limp, useless flaps. Its even more baffling since they've already done Lady Deathstrike! These were easily fixable blunders that showed poor effort. No, this is just not worth the money.
Oh and it would be a lot cooler if ya did Hasbro by making sure Pym's head fits on the recent Target Ant-Mans body. Be nice to be able to have an unmasked look for Ant-Man with out having to risk damaging the Pym sculpt by dremeling it to fit
Oh man what a great set. It's not perfect but Scientific Adventurer Pym and Mockingbird are two more major boxes checked in an anniversary celebration full of major boxes checked.
This Pym is really cool and Hasbro clearly has made the effort to give fans classic looks we've been waiting for.
Tigra. Remind me again why they "cant" do classic Moondragon?
I absolutely pre-ordered this set. Can't wait to see what classic Avenger gets made next
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